[critcarenurse16]

Originally Posted by Pete495

Our monitors can figure out certain drip rates if they are programmed in. We have short cuz methods too that we use for our most common drips.

the short cut is cc/hr x core number / kg body weight = mcg's/kg/min

Also, mcgs/kg/min x kg body weight/ core number = cc/hour

each drip has a different core number. If you'd like the core numbers, let me know. I have a lot of them.


Anyway, I use that to calculate drips. Our IV pumps can calculate drips, but I don't use them. I don't think it is good practice to use them. If it is heparin or vasopressin or something, I like to figure it out long hand even if it takes a minute. That way I know in my mind it was done right, and I can always ask someone else to check my method. If you plug in the wrong numbers too fast on a machine, you might screw yourself.

Pete495

Pter495-- This may be a regional difference but I'm not understanding what you mean by 'core number'. Looks like this is the same as concentration. Is this right??

[awsnow]

Originally Posted by critcarenurse16

Pter495-- This may be a regional difference but I'm not understanding what you mean by 'core number'. Looks like this is the same as concentration. Is this right??

I'm not sure how pter495 gets his core number but maybe this formula I use will be helpful:

Core number = (mg of med x 1000 / ml of solution) / 60 / pt's wt in kg

the core number is specific to that pt( it won't change unless the concentration changes)

core # X ml/hr = mcg/kg/min

example:

dopamine 400mg in 250 ml and pt wt is 70 kg

Core # = (400 X 1000) / 250 / 70

4000/ 250 / 70

16 / 70

0.228 (0.23) is the core #

then:
0.23 X 10 ml/hr = 2.3 mcg/kg/min

you just multiply the core number by the pump rate with each rate change.
It helps me...I hope I didn't confuse you.

[critcarenurse16]

Originally Posted by awsnow

I'm not sure how pter495 gets his core number but maybe this formula I use will be helpful:

Core number = (mg of med x 1000 / ml of solution) / 60 / pt's wt in kg

the core number is specific to that pt( it won't change unless the concentration changes)

core # X ml/hr = mcg/kg/min

example:

dopamine 400mg in 250 ml and pt wt is 70 kg

Core # = (400 X 1000) / 250 / 70

4000/ 250 / 70

16 / 70

0.228 (0.23) is the core #

then:
0.23 X 10 ml/hr = 2.3 mcg/kg/min

you just multiply the core number by the pump rate with each rate change.
It helps me...I hope I didn't confuse you.

Crystal clear. (just too much math for this nurse's taste)

[TexasCCRN]

Personally I love those pumps that do the figuring for you, but never do I completly trust it. The safe way is to always figure out your drips. I made a chart for potent drips and keep it with me all the time. It only takes a few seconds to figure out and it may save you a lot of trouble with a lawsuit or more importantly a patient's life. I will be more than happy to send the chart to you by email if you want it.

[CRNAsoon]

Originally Posted by TexasCCRN

Personally I love those pumps that do the figuring for you, but never do I completly trust it. The safe way is to always figure out your drips. I made a chart for potent drips and keep it with me all the time. It only takes a few seconds to figure out and it may save you a lot of trouble with a lawsuit or more importantly a patient's life. I will be more than happy to send the chart to you by email if you want it.

Could I get a copy of your chart, as well?

[tridil2000]

this is the way i do it....

i use concentration numbers as a common didvidend...

epi 1 mg in 250 is 4
levo 4 mg in 250 is 16
ntg 50mg in 250 is 200
dopa 400mg in 250 is 1600
neo 40 in 250 is 160 160
nipride 50 in 250 is 200 200


let's say they order a drug to run at 10 mcg/min

well i just take 10 times 60 and then divide that answer by the above concentration number.
so if they wanted levophed at 10 mcgs
i do 10x60=600
and then divide 600 by 16 to get the drip rate...
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now bc dopa needs the wt i just throw the weight in as well...
so if they want dopa at 10mcg per kilo per minute (pretend pt is 75 kilos)
i do 75 x 10 x 60 = 45000
and divide 45000 by 1600 to get a drip rate ...
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[angelique777]

Originally Posted by Pete495

Our monitors can figure out certain drip rates if they are programmed in. We have short cuz methods too that we use for our most common drips.

the short cut is cc/hr x core number / kg body weight = mcg's/kg/min

Also, mcgs/kg/min x kg body weight/ core number = cc/hour

each drip has a different core number. If you'd like the core numbers, let me know. I have a lot of them.


Anyway, I use that to calculate drips. Our IV pumps can calculate drips, but I don't use them. I don't think it is good practice to use them. If it is heparin or vasopressin or something, I like to figure it out long hand even if it takes a minute. That way I know in my mind it was done right, and I can always ask someone else to check my method. If you plug in the wrong numbers too fast on a machine, you might screw yourself.

Pete495

Can you give a sample problem with calculation with core numbers and all hope you can
thanks

[angelique777]

Originally Posted by TexasCCRN

Personally I love those pumps that do the figuring for you, but never do I completly trust it. The safe way is to always figure out your drips. I made a chart for potent drips and keep it with me all the time. It only takes a few seconds to figure out and it may save you a lot of trouble with a lawsuit or more importantly a patient's life. I will be more than happy to send the chart to you by email if you want it.

would love the chart you can send me a private message -thanks so much

[Code90]

Our monitors and IV pumps calculate the drip rates for us. However, I've been around since before that capability existed and I like to perform my own calculations and have a drip chart available. There's a great website that provides information about drugs, calculations, renal dosing, etc., that can be used to generate a drip chart. It's at globalrph.com, click on "medical calculators" and then "dynamic drip rate table. This website is based at the VA medical center in Detroit and provides an excellent reference. Of course, I always have my pocket calculator available to double-check doses and indicators such as SVRI, etc.

[yokemnurse]

Originally Posted by Pete495

Our monitors can figure out certain drip rates if they are programmed in. We have short cuz methods too that we use for our most common drips.

the short cut is cc/hr x core number / kg body weight = mcg's/kg/min

Also, mcgs/kg/min x kg body weight/ core number = cc/hour

each drip has a different core number. If you'd like the core numbers, let me know. I have a lot of them.


Anyway, I use that to calculate drips. Our IV pumps can calculate drips, but I don't use them. I don't think it is good practice to use them. If it is heparin or vasopressin or something, I like to figure it out long hand even if it takes a minute. That way I know in my mind it was done right, and I can always ask someone else to check my method. If you plug in the wrong numbers too fast on a machine, you might screw yourself.

Pete495

Hey Pete, yea if you could email me the core rates that would be great, please send me a private message -thanks alot