[LPN & EMT-CT]

Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
here is some interesting info from a research paper i wrote in college:

1)the first nursing school was in india approx 250B.C. only men were considered pure enough to become nurses.
2) according to the Charaka (vol I section xv) men should be of good behavior,distinguished for purity,possessed of cleverness and skill, imbued with kindness, and skilled in every service a patient may require.
3)the first nurse in the united states was male. Fray (Friar) Juan de Mena was ship wrecked off south texas coast 70 yrs before pilgrims landed at plymouth rock. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become known as the United States. among his virtues ,especially noteworthy was the humble charity with which he tended the sick.
4) during the Byzantine Empire nursing was a seperate occupation practiced by men. In the NEw testament the good samaritian paid the male innkeeper to care for an injured man,No one thought it odd that a man should be paid to provide nursing care. ( Luke 10:35-36)

hope you all found this info interesting.

Thanks for the info, that's a lot of stuff I didn't know, you know you learn something new everyday.

David, LPN & EMT-CT -VA

[rnoflabor2000]

I don't like the fortuitous use of what men did before. Oh, and men make great priests too!! (sarcasm included) We can also say that we (women) were considered as property and less than human, it is also why we have no historical data on what we did in the past. We were kept that way. We were mothers to many of these men. But no credit was ever given to these "caring" women that taught their sons.
I think you are right in saying that gender is not an issue, it is the person doing the job, and my patients love me too. But as a nurse, and only for 4 years and my second career in my life, I have seen barely any distinguishing difference between the way a large group of men in a male dominated career treat the women than I do with a large group of women in a female dominated field treat the men. Just a few minor differences in the way they go about it.
This is a highly sensitive issue and this thread should either be dropped or just boycotted.

Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
here is some interesting info from a research paper i wrote in college:

1)the first nursing school was in india approx 250B.C. only men were considered pure enough to become nurses.
2) according to the Charaka (vol I section xv) men should be of good behavior,distinguished for purity,possessed of cleverness and skill, imbued with kindness, and skilled in every service a patient may require.
3)the first nurse in the united states was male. Fray (Friar) Juan de Mena was ship wrecked off south texas coast 70 yrs before pilgrims landed at plymouth rock. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become known as the United States. among his virtues ,especially noteworthy was the humble charity with which he tended the sick.
4) during the Byzantine Empire nursing was a seperate occupation practiced by men. In the NEw testament the good samaritian paid the male innkeeper to care for an injured man,No one thought it odd that a man should be paid to provide nursing care. ( Luke 10:35-36)

hope you all found this info interesting.

[researchrabbit]

Originally posted by Dr. Kate
Researchrabbit: as we said in the 70s: "the woman who strives to be equal to a man lacks ambition."

But really, what a dreadful thing to throw out to a class. It reaks of fostering gender bias and mindless prejudices.

Gender is no determinant of quality and ability.

It was awful, wasn't it? That was in 1976 and the most prejudiced professor I ever had. He would actually berate the guys if one of us women answered a question that they couldn't,

[rnoflabor2000]

I like you , research rabbit!! I hope some woman met him in a dark alley!!! hahahaha

I took the ASFAB (sp.) in 1982, when I told the recruiter that I wanted to be a pilot, he laughed, right in my face. Then he proceeded to tell me that women don't fly. They are too slow in their reaction times. WOW, that was very damaging to a young girls' mind. No one has told me since that I can't do anything. I've been a private pilot since 1988 and fly aerobatics.

[Glad2behere]

Are you asking for quality or quantity?

Sorry, had to throw that in there just to rattle some cages!!!!

(&(^)_+(+_&*%$(&)&)*

[Vsummer1]

I am very glad to see some men in my nursing classes. In fact, I told one of the guys in class that I would like to work with him and the others because the fact is, men are different. Study after study shoes the gender bias in our upbringing (here in the USA). I did a whole term paper on those differences in communication, study after study, etc. Men or women are not "better or worse" they are just born biollogically different and our society socializes them differently.

I feel it would benefit me, a female, to work with as much diversity as possible.

[debyan]

My youngest son is asking about what I think of his going into nursing seems to be considering it he is a framer ( builds houses )now. My older son was considering PT for a while, his twin sister is in nursing school at this time. I encourage them all I don't think gender has anything to do with it. Chandra said it well " any one who has knowledge and puts in practice with compassion dedication and empathetic feeling is a good nurse" of course a little common sense doesn't hurt either Debyan

[Sleepyeyes]

Ok....
I don't know which came first, but I thought it interesting that they hired a girl to sleep with King David when he was old, just to keep him warm.....the Bible explicitly states he didn't have sex with her.......seems to me, she was kinda a CNA?????

Anyhow, I'll never forget the first time a guy took care of me as a patient; it about blew my mind how GENTLE he was, and strong enough to do in one motion what women took two or three to do. I've had good and bad both men and women since, so I don't stereotype. peace

[mark_LD_RN]

rnoflabor2000, just relax a little it was just a little info for everyone,nothing personal meant by it

[adrienurse]

This is a very inflammatory question to be asking in the first place! Just what did you expect to get as answers?

You may as well have been asking "who is the better human being, men or women?"