[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by Jolie

I'm curious as to how you think you know their income. Tax brakes are not handouts. Unless you renounce your federal and state deductions for mortgage interest, educational expenses, healthcare costs, charitable donations, local and property taxes, you are every bit as much on the "dole"as they are.

Yeah, I agree - and I don't understand the notion tax breaks are handouts. It is OUR money we get to keep, not the governments and not my neighbors.

steph

[unitek1963]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Funny how everybody thinks their own interpretation of the Bible is the "true" one.These folks are not asking you or me for a darn dime for pity sake. Unlike all the FLDS "wives" who were on welfare and truly abusing their children, no one seemed to give a rats behind about this until recently.

You will actually have to provide proof that, "these folks are not asking you or me for a darn dime..." for ANY sake. And hearsay and/or media reporting is NOT proof.

As for the religious angle? There are two sides to everything; but many of my Mormon friends simply do not have either the desire, nor the funds (as I alluded to previously) to have a larger family than, say four...

However, using "God" as an excuse for a decision YOU make is in poor taste.

Did they expect God to send them a email with a specific number of children on it? How is it God was supposed to notify them? This is a very large cop-out.

God gave humanity free will in order for us to take the lessons (hopefully learned) from the Bible and apply them sensibly and responsibly to everyday life.

He did not create us to be sheep.

Mike

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by ingelein

What I meant by that is the mothers who ABUSE their children are probably not meant to be mothers, yikes, I did not mean to turn this in another war.My apologies for my thoughtless comment it was NOT meant to be for women who cannot have children.

This subject was hot when it came up last time, with the 17th kid.

I too agree with you - size of the family doesn't matter. I know plenty of people with one or two kids who abuse them. We had a lovely curly blonde hair little girl in the ER last year whose loving mom kicked her in the WalMart parking lot. Fortunately police were called. This mom had TWO kids.

Quality time . . .

steph

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006

Not true. It's everyone's business because they chose to show it on TV.

Im sure they get paid a nice amount of money for this and that makes them all the less likely to be needing any of our taxpayer money.

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by unitek1963

God gave humanity free will in order for us to take the lessons (hopefully learned) from the Bible and apply them sensibly and responsibly to everyday life.


Mike

God also said "Be fruitful and multiply".

Gosh, I am always amazed at how vehement people are when this subject comes up.

steph

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Im sure they get paid a nice amount of money for this and that makes them all the less likely to be needing any of our taxpayer money.

Should we complain about the Idol participants? Or the people in Oprah's audience who get cars? Or the winner of Jeopardy? Or the author of an autobiography? Or the maker of a true life movie?

Why get mad at people who make money telling a story??

steph

[cardiacRN2006]

Originally Posted by stevielynn

This subject was hot when it came up last time, with the 17th kid.

I too agree with you - size of the family doesn't matter. I know plenty of people with one or two kids who abuse them. We had a lovely curly blonde hair little girl in the ER last year whose loving mom kicked her in the WalMart parking lot. Fortunately police were called. This mom had TWO kids.

Quality time . . .

steph

Just because there are women who abuse their children doesnt mean that hording several kids makes it ok.

You know, dog owners who keep their dogs outside all the time get treated terribly in my neighborhood. They threaten to 'take them to the humane society' and 'call the pound' on them.

But they are being fed, cared for, loved, well adjusted.....and they are animals!



For the kids, a roof over the head, food on the table, clothes, TV show.......so what? It doesn't make up for quality time-at all!






ingelein-sorry for the terrible assumption...

[ingelein]

So how old do you think she is? She could "concievably" have sveral more children, and we can have a few more arguments over this.

[cardiacRN2006]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Im sure they get paid a nice amount of money for this and that makes them all the less likely to be needing any of our taxpayer money.

Oh, I'm sure too. I don't care about the taxpayer issue/non issue...

[BinkieRN]

Originally Posted by stevielynn

Why get mad at people who make money telling a story??

steph

Because they don't believe in TV and the children are not allowed to watch TV and they do not own a TV. Seems inheirtly wrong to make money off of something you don't believe in for yourself or your children. IMO