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Old Jul 02, 2008, 11:27 AM
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Re: Supreme Court overturns DC gun ban

I have been pepper srayed nad can contimue with what I was doing. It actually is painfull but not debilitting. I have been tased before also, It will put you down but again it depends on the person. I am usually up in a couple of minutes (been tase several times, we did it for fun and show off..) The thing is it does not always put you down either. A gun will put you down, and that is right, never point at what you are not about to kill.

I have killed people and it is actually easier than you think to do it, why do you think so many criminals do it so easily? When you have no concern for other people you have no value for their life. And speaking of value, I did not reduce the value of a crimnals life, they reduced their own value by commiting the crimes. People set their own life value by the choices they make. Not all human life has the same value or worth. I am not talking either about how much money one makes or has.

And speaking of curts, texas is a great state for defending yourself. It has the castle law here. It says that if someone is breaking into your house (they do not have to even be in your home yet) you have the right to use deadly force on them. You have the right to protect your life and property.

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 11:53 AM
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Re: Supreme Court overturns DC gun ban

[quote=Stanley-RN2B;2929670]I own a Bushmaster Carbon 15 9mm...



You might think I don't need it but you would be wrong.
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Nice piece, from another vet !

Like others in this thread, your politics and mine are poles apart, but agree that as a 5'4' grandmother, a weapon is the great equalizer. I have been shooting longer than most punks have been alive.

And as third generation military/law enforcement, have to emphasize what has been stated here, that you never, EVER, point a weapon at someone or somthing you aren't fully prepared to kill. And as a Christian, a reminder that the commandment as originally written was not "thou shalt not kill", but "thou shalt not MURDER".

Big difference.

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: Supreme Court overturns DC gun ban

Thomas Sowell has an interesting take on the Supreme Court in an article today:

. . . ."Even more important than the particular issues that courts will decide is the more fundamental issue of what a judge's role is in our system of constitutional government.


In the gun control decision, for example, there were justices who read the history and meaning of the Second Amendment differently. What was most dangerous, however, was Justice Stephen Breyer's opinion that it was up to judges to weigh and "balance" the pros and cons of gun control laws.


If we have constitutional rights only when judges like the end results, we may as well not have a Constitution.


Is the right to free speech to be put aside, and a journalist put behind bars, whenever a judge thinks that journalist went "too far" in expressing an opinion about some politician or bureaucrat?


Is someone to be tried over again for the same crime, even after having been acquitted, if judges regard the constitutional ban on double jeopardy as just a suggestion to be weighed and "balanced?"


We have already seen what happens when a 5-4 majority decides that politicians can seize your home and give it to somebody else, if judges don't think your property rights "balance" whatever politicians call "the public interest."


When deciding which candidate you want in the White House for the next 4 years, it is worth considering what kind of judges you want on the federal courts for the next generation.. . . . . . "


http://www.redding.com/news/2008/jul...ctions-stakes/

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: Supreme Court overturns DC gun ban

Originally Posted by ♪♫ in my ♥
And then released a few years later on parole for breaking and entering and having a score to settle.

Me, I'd like to settle it once and for all right out of the gate.
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you do realize we're talking about human life here, right?
"settle it once and for all?"
that's just scary, song.



I do realize that we're talking about human life and despite what you might conclude from the harshness of my statement, I highly value human life. However, when somebody crosses the line of invading my home, they have crossed a line.

I have walked away from numerous fights in my life... and been in only one. I abhor aggressive, violent behavior and will always seek to avoid it. When it comes into my house, though, I've retreated as far as I'm able and I won't subject my family to the risk of retribution

Everyone draws their own line. Mine is at the perimeter of my house.

I have no sympathy for anybody who's shot and killed during a home invasion.

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ♪♫ in my ♥ View Post





I do realize that we're talking about human life and despite what you might conclude from the harshness of my statement, I highly value human life. However, when somebody crosses the line of invading my home, they have crossed a line.

I have walked away from numerous fights in my life... and been in only one. I abhor aggressive, violent behavior and will always seek to avoid it. When it comes into my house, though, I've retreated as far as I'm able and I won't subject my family to the risk of retribution

Everyone draws their own line. Mine is at the perimeter of my house.

I have no sympathy for anybody who's shot and killed during a home invasion.
please don't misunderstand me.
i truly do respect your values.
it's hard to be anti-gun and not come across as judgmental.
and i am not judging.
i'm trying to make sense out of it.

finally, i think i've gotten a whole lot of security out of having 3 dogs- 2 of them german shepherds.
no one dares to bother us.
and we live in a not-so-safe-neighborhood.

leslie

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by earle58 View Post
please don't misunderstand me.
i truly do respect your values.
it's hard to be anti-gun and not come across as judgmental.
and i am not judging.
i'm trying to make sense out of it.

finally, i think i've gotten a whole lot of security out of having 3 dogs- 2 of them german shepherds.
no one dares to bother us.
and we live in a not-so-safe-neighborhood.

leslie
I get it Leslie.

It's been quite an evolution for me. From my "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" and "kill a commie for mommy" days as a young, hard-charging, 17-year-old Marine to my spiritual reawakening in my early 30's where I disposed of all my guns and developed a pacifist attitude to now being in my mid-40's with a little child to watch after and the development of my current attitude (and somewhat recent decision to rearm myself).

The things that have really tipped the scales for me are some stories that I've read over the years of home invasions that included horrible violence against children and then the madness that followed Katrina.

Being a planner I have long held a cache of disaster-readiness supplies. I've deliberately stocked more than we need because I know that there will be lots of people who haven't planned and I will intend to share. One thing that Katrina taught me, though, is that my supplies have little value unless I have the ability to defend them. Otherwise, they're almost certain to be taken. Even worse, though, are the pigs who will look at my daughter as yet another spoil of the conflict. Uh uh, no way.

I lived for years in Congo and have been following the trauma in that country. The people are suffering horribly in part because they have no means to defend themselves against the various militias that come through. I just watched a story in which they state (truthfully, I believe) that nearly every woman in the refugee camp has been raped, some by the marauding militias and many by the regular army troops who are supposed to protect them.

The most recent story wasn't a home invasion but did demonstrate the value of ready access to a firearm. Just up the road a piece a mentally ill man came to the home of his parents where a conflict ensued. The sick man grabbed a butcher knife and began attacking his family. He killed a couple of them and followed a couple more out into the street in front where he continued his assault. A neighbor across the street grabbed his gun and shot him thus saving two members of that family. Were it not for his gun and willingness to use it, those folks would be dead, too.

I think that there's a significant chance that we could see regional or national chaos in my lifetime... What's going to happen when gas is $8.00 a gallon, milk is $12/gallon, and bread is $7.00/loaf and inflation is running 15% while actual unemployment is running 15%? Or, since I live near the SF Bay Area, what happens when a 8.5 quake rolls through and disrupts infrastructure? Or the flu pandemic? Or the attack that makes 9/11 look mild? I don't know the answer but I think it could get ugly, very quickly, and very unpredictably.

I fully respect your viewpoint, partly because you share it well and respectfully and partly because it aligns with where I've been. I thank you for respecting mine.

To all of that reasoning I add my belief in constitutional rights and my fear of the government seeking to restrict them. I think the Bush administration has shown the ease with which the government will trample people's rights and the rule-of-law in order to achieve their objectives... and I think the last 6 years have shown how willing fearful people are to let them.

It saddens me that human beings need to have weapons to protect ourselves from each other but thus has it always been and thus will it always be.

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Old Jul 02, 2008, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Spidey's mom View Post
When deciding which candidate you want in the White House for the next 4 years, it is worth considering what kind of judges you want on the federal courts for the next generation.. . . . . . "
This is THE issue which is making my choice so difficult...

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