[txspadequeen921]

I think this is horrible .... I can only hope your state is one like Texas and a concealed handgun state. I have had to use mine out in broad daylight. I can only imagine what would happen if we had mixed company behind closed doors in that environment...I'm scared for my children

[caliotter3]

Originally Posted by txspadequeen921

I think this is horrible .... I can only hope your state is one like Texas and a concealed handgun state. I have had to use mine out in broad daylight. I can only imagine what would happen if we had mixed company behind closed doors in that environment...I'm scared for my children

[HM2Viking]

Concealed carry is a solution in search of a problem.....

From my reading this law is really designed to protect transitioning transgender persons to use the restroom appropriate for their new gender.

[CHATSDALE]

viking i am sure that this is the intention and i would not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable but there are perverts who would take advantage of the situation
if they are dressed in a new gender perhaps they wouldn't be noticeable

i hope that we never 'progress' to the point of uninals on the street i do not have a covert desire to see people relieving themselves everywhere

conservatives have as much self esteem as any class in the general scheme of things...very naive to think otherwise

[txspadequeen921]

I see that you and I have much different opinions on this issue. I have 5 daughters and if I am out somewhere with just my daughters and I; the last thing I want to worry about is some creep in the bathroom waiting to molest my little girl or rape me. So in response to your post my S&W 40 is a solution to the potential problem that could be hiding in the bathroom.

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Concealed carry is a solution in search of a problem.....

From my reading this law is really designed to protect transitioning transgender persons to use the restroom appropriate for their new gender.

[Stanley-RN2B]

Originally Posted by Spidey's mom

I don't want to share a bathroom with a guy . . . I already share a bathroom with 4 males in my own home and they make a big mess in the aiming department.

I want privacy. I am modest and it has NOTHING to do with "pride in disguise". It is simply that I don't pee or poo in front of anyone and I don't want to watch them, much less have men in there.

How rude to say that there is something wrong with people who are modest.

I teach my daughter modesty - she doesn't wear those low cut tops and even lower cut pants. What is wrong with modesty????????

steph

Assuming all men are dirty is quite discriminatory. I've known plenty of nasty women and seen plenty of filthy female restrooms.

There is being modest and being over modest. As far as wanting privacy... People that REALLY want privacy don't use public restrooms.

Modesty

1) Freedom From vanity or conceit.
2) Formality and propriety of manner.


Since the law, and therefore the people, have said that it is both proper and legal, that leaves only vanity or conceit...

Embarrassment and the desire for privacy stem from pride and conceit. This is why cultures that are considered excessively modest (such as the Japanese) are also not as worried about privacy.

It is considered rude to point out someone's rudeness. Since I have been told I am rude, I shall be rude and point out your breach of etiquette.

Let's also not forget that many people, not all and not necessarily anyone here, are going to use thinly veiled arguments about safety and perverts and modesty in an attempt to hide their true intention of further attacking the single most abused, raped and murdered class percentage wise than any other in this country. These arguments that have been given here are the same exact ones that people used when integration started. I am not saying anyone here is of that same mind but think about it. People are reacting with fear and fear leads to hatred which leads to violence which leads to MORE laws to protect under-protected populations.

[earle58]

Originally Posted by Stanley-RN2B

Assuming all men are dirty is quite discriminatory. I've known plenty of nasty women and seen plenty of filthy female restrooms.

There is being modest and being over modest. As far as wanting privacy... People that REALLY want privacy don't use public restrooms.

Modesty

1) Freedom From vanity or conceit.
2) Formality and propriety of manner.


Since the law, and therefore the people, have said that it is both proper and legal, that leaves only vanity or conceit...

Embarrassment and the desire for privacy stem from pride and conceit. This is why cultures that are considered excessively modest (such as the Japanese) are also not as worried about privacy.

from www.dictionary.com

modesty-

1. the quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc
2. regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc
3. simplicity; moderation

it seems you are confusing the 2 different types of modesty.

ex: "stanley received his awards with humility and modesty"
and-
ex: "stanley's modesty has prevented him from skinny-dipping with eager evelyn."

therefore, your last statement "embarrassment and the desire for privacy stem from pride and conceit", are non-sensical and irrelevant.

personally, i value my privacy to extent that i seldom use public restrooms.
and refuse to use one with both genders present.
as for transgenders, i'm not understanding the issue?
a woman (even w/a penis) would use the woman's room.
who's going to know?

leslie

[Stanley-RN2B]

Let's just be glad we don't live in Colorado...

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by Stanley-RN2B

Assuming all men are dirty is quite discriminatory. I've known plenty of nasty women and seen plenty of filthy female restrooms.

There is being modest and being over modest. As far as wanting privacy... People that REALLY want privacy don't use public restrooms.

Modesty

1) Freedom From vanity or conceit.
2) Formality and propriety of manner.


Since the law, and therefore the people, have said that it is both proper and legal, that leaves only vanity or conceit...

Embarrassment and the desire for privacy stem from pride and conceit. This is why cultures that are considered excessively modest (such as the Japanese) are also not as worried about privacy.

It is considered rude to point out someone's rudeness. Since I have been told I am rude, I shall be rude and point out your breach of etiquette.

Let's also not forget that many people, not all and not necessarily anyone here, are going to use thinly veiled arguments about safety and perverts and modesty in an attempt to hide their true intention of further attacking the single most abused, raped and murdered class percentage wise than any other in this country. These arguments that have been given here are the same exact ones that people used when integration started. I am not saying anyone here is of that same mind but think about it. People are reacting with fear and fear leads to hatred which leads to violence which leads to MORE laws to protect under-protected populations.

You yourself are casting aspersions on those of us who have qualms about this. The truth is I didn't even read the article and thought it was just about unisex bathrooms. So, I had no "thinly veiled arguments" regarding transsexuals.

I have serious questions about mixing the sexes in a bathroom - regardless of what they do in other countries.

I also do not allow my children to go into a public restroom w/o an adult. I did that once at a McDonald's and my two young boys saw a man standing at the sinks wiping his butt. Never again.

There was a young boy killed in a public restroom at a park - grandma let him go in alone (not blaming grandma here) and someone cut his throat.

Of course, this has nothing to do with transsexuals going into bathrooms. No one is saying that transsexuals are more apt to do bad things in public restrooms than any other person.

I'm saying two things - I do not want to use a public bathroom with men in there and I do not send my kids into a public bathroom without an adult family member.

That does not make me anything except modest, private and cautious.

I am not a bigot. And women do make messes in bathrooms too.

And just because a law, therefore supposedly the people, say it is ok . . .doesn't mean it is ok.

And just because some of the people don't like it - that doesn't automatically equal vanity and conceit.

steph

[Stanley-RN2B]

...not all and not necessarily anyone here, are going to use thinly veiled arguments about safety and perverts and modesty in an attempt to hide their true intention...

No one called anyone a bigot.

I just pointed out that some people may be using this to further their bigoted agenda. I also pointed out the misuse of the word modest. What disturbs me is not so much the reaction as it is expected with a law like this but everyone's quick jump to decry their bigotry when no one specifically said they were bigoted. There is a reason interrogators jump on people with guilty consciences...