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Old Aug 12, 2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

Originally Posted by coarsegold View Post
Everyone here has been so helpful. I started with the women's prison 2 weeks ago and the mountains of advice are worthy! I was stunned after I was hired to hear what can happen to you if you report a guard for abusing an I/M. This is what terrifies me more than anything.. I worry that if I did get wind of someone being abused, I wouldn't be able to report it, otherwise my safety would be compromised. What does anytone think of this?

Is this the standard? Nurses having to refrain from reporting an officer for abusing an inmate, in order to protect their own safety??

The facility I work at jumps when the nurses have a complaint about the officers. They do not want a lawsuit or any negative attention given to them by the media if something were to happen.

I don't think I could work at a facility where a nurse would have to look the other way when an inmate/pt is being mistreated by an officer. (3 years in at my facility). People wouldn't describe me as an "inmate lover" either, I am firm but fair. Trudy's description of this makes me truely sad.

Have other corrections nurses experienced this too?

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Old Aug 17, 2007, 06:45 AM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

Originally Posted by TrudyRN View Post
But honestly, in a real crisis, you're pretty much on your own and you can pretty much kiss your life goodbye. That's a sad fact but true, as I see it. The officers must protect themselves and other officers first and there just aren't that many of them, even if they bring in local police, sheriff, marshals or even the state militia/national guard for backup. They will try to help you but you are not their first priority and that's just the truth.
When I was working at a private prison where profit was the priority, not security then ... I would agree with you. But since I've been working for the California state prison system ... I've seen the exact opposite of what you're describing.

I'm constantly impressed with the officers in my facility. For one thing, they don't let a crisis develop. If there's a threat ... they put it down, and they literally put it down within seconds.

Every time I've been on a unit where an inmate gets out of hand, you don't even have a chance to see what happened most of the time because the inmate is already on the ground. The alarm goes off and literally, the second you look up ... the inmate is down.

Just the other day I was walking by the entrance where they were escorting an inmate who started to fight against the officers in the entrance hallway. The CO's literally jumped on top of this inmate to bring him to the ground, telling me to hit the alarm which ... I did.

Literally within two seconds a dozen officers came to assist.

That's how fast they are in putting down threats. And, every time we've had an alarm in medical, even if it was set off by accident, extra officers have come running to make sure we're ok. So I've never felt like nurses aren't a security priority ... actually, they go out of their way to look after us.

If there's a day where they're short on officers then, it's my facility's policy to lock down the yard ... meaning the inmates are restricted to their cells. They don't take any chances if they're short staffed. And they don't hestitate to pay officers overtime to avoid being short staffed. The OT does cost the state a lot of money but, security is the priority.

Also ... every yard is under gun coverage 24 hours a day. That means that there are snipers located on the second floor ready to shoot both inside the buildings and outside in the yards if anything like a riot starts to happen either inside or outside the buildings.

They don't hesitate to use pepper spray either. The other day a couple of inmates got into a fight in their cell and they sprayed the hell out of them ... again, the inmates were down in seconds.

So I really think it depends on where you work. I constantly impressed with the officers at my facility and I feel very safe there.


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Old Aug 21, 2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

Originally Posted by VegRN View Post
Maybe I am the only one that doesn't know what this means but, can you please explain this?
new to corrections nursing, (actually start on monday) but I am guessing this is to have immediate access to security if an emergency were to arise for some reason

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Old Aug 22, 2007, 01:45 AM
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I have been in Correctional Nursing for 18 years. I have never had a safety issue. I also work in an ED and it is more dangerous there than in any jail or prison I have been in. As far as a first job, I would not recommend corrections for that. You need to have keen assessment skills and that is aquired by experience. Good Luck.

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Old Sep 12, 2007, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by EnigmaticParadigm View Post
I feel very safe at my prison, but I do a lot of common sense things to increase that feeling:
Do you have any suggestions or advice in regards to making the mind set shift from hospital nursing to correctional nursing? I would assume that nursing in a correctional setting would be similar to Urgent or Outpatient Care nursing roles. Do you have any books or reference material suggestions?
Thank you in advance.

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Old Sep 12, 2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

Originally Posted by coarsegold View Post
Everyone here has been so helpful. I started with the women's prison 2 weeks ago and the mountains of advice are worthy! I was stunned after I was hired to hear what can happen to you if you report a guard for abusing an I/M. This is what terrifies me more than anything.. I worry that if I did get wind of someone being abused, I wouldn't be able to report it, otherwise my safety would be compromised. What does anytone think of this?
I work at a max security female prison.We have a very strict code of ethics that we must follow. If you tolerate abuse of inmates in any you will be held accountable for your actions . ALL staff have held accountable to the code of ethics, no one is exempt. That doesn't mean that their are not some unethically staff members, butthey will be found out eventually and will be fired along with all staff that condoned or covered up these abuses. We have several staff members who violated the code of ethics, either sexually or physically, were prosecuted and are now doing time.
I believe these abuses are more common when the state or federal government delegates thier responsibility to for -profit prisons. Public safety is not served by handing over to corparate run prisons where the bottom line is profit.
I have nerver worked for or will never work for a private prison where unethicall behavior is tolerated in the name of profit.
Public services are not a profit making business.

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Old Sep 12, 2007, 02:01 PM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

Originally Posted by guerrierdelion View Post
Do you have any suggestions or advice in regards to making the mind set shift from hospital nursing to correctional nursing? I would assume that nursing in a correctional setting would be similar to Urgent or Outpatient Care nursing roles. Do you have any books or reference material suggestions?
Thank you in advance.
There is an excellent book available on Amazon that will get you prepared for working with inmates. It is called Games Criminals Play: How You Can Profit by Knowing Them
It will get you into the mind set of working with i/m and see hoe they are trying to play you. You as a healthcare professional must remember to be fair firm and consistant at all times. The most important word in corrections is NO. You your assesment skills, don't go solely on what the i/m is telling you. Learn and follow your departments P&P and trust your gut.

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Old Sep 12, 2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nancykday View Post
There is an excellent book available on Amazon that will get you prepared for working with inmates. It is called Games Criminals Play: How You Can Profit by Knowing Them
It will get you into the mind set of working with i/m and see hoe they are trying to play you. You as a healthcare professional must remember to be fair firm and consistant at all times. The most important word in corrections is NO. You your assesment skills, don't go solely on what the i/m is telling you. Learn and follow your departments P&P and trust your gut.
I appreciate your prompt response to my request for information.
Thank you very much for sharing.

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Old Sep 13, 2007, 11:42 AM
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Re: Prison Nursing....Is it safe?

an even better book is Behind Prison Walls....will tell ya ALL the things ya need to know about prison life, even things like what inmates do with the little KOP things ya give em in medical (this book i found on amazon, but this is the first link i found with it so you can see which book i am talkin about)

http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1292

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Old Sep 13, 2007, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by texascowgirl View Post
an even better book is Behind Prison Walls....will tell ya ALL the things ya need to know about prison life, even things like what inmates do with the little KOP things ya give em in medical (this book i found on amazon, but this is the first link i found with it so you can see which book i am talkin about)

http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1292
Thanks!
I already ordered this:
Games Criminals Play: How You Can Profit by Knowing Them
And will probably get the book you suggested also:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new
Should make for some fascinating and eye-opening reading.

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