[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSN

I see your point but you know what? This was there last day at our school and discussed there situation. They are RN's in the PHIL. Yes that's a fact. But there education is not enough to be as a RN in Canada. Sure there great nurses, but they don't the education to be a RN in Canada. RN in Canada is more complex and its ever changing up here. anyways back to these recruitments. they never wrote the NClEX exam. They just had to take some sort of testing and screening but NOT a NCLEX-RN or NCLEX-PN .They said they been recruited by Captial Health by agency to work and fill the void in the region and not to be used to use Canada as a stepping stone to the states. Some have been recruited to Saskatchewan as well. This is why they got them here so they could fill the shortages that's is what they said if you don't believe me come here to my school and talk to them for yourself sorry for sounding mean but this is the fact

Sorry, but that is not correct. There are many Canadian RNs now that trained in the Philippines but they were required to go thru real licensing procedures and follow them exactly to be able to get a license to practice there. Their training and BSN is accepted as any other degreed nurse in any other country. This may be what you are getting told but it is not the truth at all. This is just a way for some agencies to take advantage of nurses from the Philippines and nothing more. and again, they are going to have issues with malpractice insurance and being covered by the facility or even their agency as they do not hold licensure in Canada. This does not help anyone but the agency, definitely does not help the nurse.

Working in the role of the LPN, which there is no license for that in their country, is not counted as working as an RN, so if they are planning to use it as a stepping stone to the US, and the US requires experience like most other countries are doing, including Canada for the RN as well as local licensure, then there are going to be many problems and with the wait of five years for even a chance at a visa, it definitely does not look promising for them.

But to say that they cannot work in your country because of their training is just crazy and cannot be further from the truth. Your sources are just not correct at all on this one.

And if you do not believe me, have a good read on the International Forum about the threads on licensure for RNs there from the Philippines.
But please do not start things here that are totally inaccurate without having credible sources to back you up on this. What you were told by this person is not credible, and would recommend that you contact the equivalent of the BON there to see exactly what the truth is about this and not believe some false accusations.

[purplehippo]

Originally Posted by malaya

if i may, fiona, i take offense in your referring to filipino RNs in quotation marks. they are true nurses driven by the same goal, dedication, and love for their profession as you are or any nurse of any background. they are there with the full intention of working and giving their best and learning to better themselves and be at par with canadian nurses (if you wish) in serving your community. again, they are qualified nurses undergoing orientation and adjustment to your culture, your system and everything that's totally different but not necessarilly new to them. in a short time they can prove their worth and work with you as a team member.
to purple hippo, i don't want to say this but you have a superb crab mentality i would understand where you're coming from if you weren't filipino.
the filipino RNs undergoing orientation at norquest are there as lpns as agreed upon by capital health and canadian immigration. they are there to fill in staffing shortages in your hospitals and health centers and to care for your elderly population in nursing homes that are severely understaffed.
their plans of leaving canada and going to the US is exactly that, just a plan. anything can happen and change between now and the future. for certain, a hostile environment will not at all derail their plans.

No I am actually happy they are coming. I do not have anything against them. It is their way of moving on with their careers and nursing experinece, being able to help their families back home just like the rest of us, etc. They can go on and move to US if they want, it is their life.

It is just that when I get sick, I would want a licensed nurse to care for me rather than someone who is not licensed. But if Capital Health deems they are equipped even without the license, then so be it. The major factor here anyway is ethical, safe, competent and quality patient care.

[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSN

I really don't believe you! and it doesn't make sense at all. Guess what i'm Filipino too.If they passed their NCLEX why would they even come here? They should have wrote the CRNE then which they don't qualify. Name the person you talked to. I just talked to them the last few days. Are you sure you have spoken to the people who just went to my school? are you sure they went to alberta? because you are not making any sense at all. msg me your contact. You are saying its complex there? maybe it is but coming here is more complex. Nursing here isnt about your skills only, its more than that. If you say its complex there then let see how'd they do if they wrote the CRNE. Sorry but true. My mom works at royal alex as a RN with a MSN and hearing from capital health they are only here to fill the voids not to go to the states

Please be respective of others here, you are entitled to your observation just as they are. But if you take the time to do some reading on this forum, you willl see proof of what we are talking about here.

There are many from the Philippines that are working in Canada as RNs and even in Ontario which is more strict than some of the other provinces in terms of licensure.

Show us something to back up what you are saying and posting here, you are going to find it hard to do.

[malaya]

It is just that when I get sick, I would want a licensed nurse to care for me rather than someone who is not licensed. But if Capital Health deems they are equipped even without the license, then so be it. The major factor here anyway is ethical, safe, competent and quality patient care.[/quote]

i have to agree with you on this point that's why i said from the beginning to meet with capital health on regards these filipino RNs with lpn licences and practicing their profession without malpractice insurances.( by the way nurses in the philippines do not have malpractice insurances that's why it was never their concern. we are not lawsuit- happy) why don't you give capital health suggestions as to how to recruit IENs from the philippines.

[purplehippo]

i have to agree with you on this point that's why i said from the beginning to meet with capital health on regards these filipino RNs with lpn licences and practicing their profession without malpractice insurances.( by the way nurses in the philippines do not have malpractice insurances that's why it was never their concern. we are not lawsuit- happy) why don't you give capital health suggestions as to how to recruit IENs from the philippines.[/quote]

Yup, we are not lawsuit-happy. That's basically it. Since it is more complex to recruit IEN's to become RN's, what they call "recoprocity" came to be, so that Filipino RN's who passed the NCLEX can easliy become LPN's.

I have no single doubt about their competence regardless of what others here say and I am looking forward to working with them towards the same goal soon

[NRSKarenRN]

Check out:

Edmonton and Capital Region Labour Market News - April 2008



News and Views Volume 22 Issue 1 SPRING 2008

College of Licensed Practical Nurses of Alberta

With consideration for the health human
Collaborating For Tomorrow

resource shortage in Alberta, and the

Vision of the CLPNA, the College has
embarked on a pilot project with Capital
Health and NorQuest College to recruit
Internationally Educated Nurses (IENs)
from the Philippines. A comparison of
their curriculum with the Alberta LPN
curriculum reveals a high degree of comparability.
Minimal remedial learning is
necessary, and will be provided on line by
NorQuest College prior to the IENs
arrival in Alberta. Clinical testing will
then be conducted and the nurses will
complete a preceptor led clinical at various
Capital Health sites. These efforts are
intended to assist with successful transitioning
of the IEN to the role of the LPN
in Alberta. Recruitment of IENs is viewed
as one of several strategies necessary to
address the nursing shortage in Alberta,
and the CLPNA believes this initiative has
potential to significantly benefit the health

care system within our province.

Practical Nurse Refresher Program for Internationally Educated ...

Upon completion of the program, you will be prepared to write a national Practical Nurse examination to obtain a licence to practise nursing in Alberta.

[purplehippo]

Upon completion of the program, you will be prepared to write a national Practical Nurse examination to obtain a licence to practise nursing in Alberta.

Some will NEED to write it. Some (NCLEX PASSERS) won't unless they want to. Good for them they can already start working and serving as part of the healthcare team.

[suzanne4]

I still suspect that they will need to write the exam when they are done with their training. An American does not get this waived, so why would a nurse that has training completely different get it waived? That makes no sense at all to me or to many others here.

And I am still not accepting of it.

Does not matter about lawsuits in the Philippines, whether they have them or not, but Canada does and without a license actively there to practice, if anything comes up in court, they are going to be hung out to take the fall.
And what if the patient is not aware that they have an unlicensed person taking care of them? It is still unlicensed if they have not written the exam for the LPN, taking an RN exam in the US does not give one licensure in Canada, they are also two very different titles as well.

[janfrn]

I'm not sure I get the frequent references purplehippo makes to NCLEX passers... the NCLEX means less than nothing in Canada. I can't believe that CLPNA would EVER waive the requirement to write the CLPNE for any person or group who expects licensure here, NCLEX or not.

[malaya]

that news piece clarifies everything.... i believe they will have to take the lpn licensure exam as passing the rn nclex exam does not make reciprocity for an lpn license. that is what you should strongly suggest for them to do. an lpn license would serve as a fallback for them in case they fail the crne exam, would it???
are these nurses there on a working visa? can they right away apply for an immigrant status when they get their licenses?
thanks again for clearing things out.