[Fiona59]

My, oh, my. Purplehippo you have a lot to learn.

Fact: LPNs ARE nurses. We are independent nurses who carry our own patient load, do our own medications, iv starts, iv meds, all treatments on our patients.

Fact: The difference is scope of practice in Capital Health is very small and is limited to a few skills, several of which are included in PN education but are not permitted under the facility policy.

Fact: The PN of today has more skills than a hospital grad RN of 20 years ago.

Fact: Canada cannot be used as a stepping stone to entry into the US by Phillipinos or anyone else. The US has limited it's green cards for all nurses. You don't get bonus points for coming from Canada.

If you truly want to nurse in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada, you had better develop an understanding of what an RN and an LPN is and what their practice regulations cover. Many PNs employed by Capital Health are disappointed by the hiring of overseas nurses. The feeling is that Capital Health should have been more proactive is sponsoring their existing staff in upgrading their education to RN rather than expecting them to work a minimum of a half time job and attend university in return for financial support.

[purplehippo]

Fact still remains... registered nurses are different from LPN's!

[purplehippo]

"My, oh, my. Purplehippo you have a lot to learn."

"If you truly want to nurse in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada, you had better develop an understanding of what an RN and an LPN is and what their practice regulations cover."

Oh okay.. Sorry I am not an LPN. We don't get to work with LPN's back home. I really do not know your scope of practice. I guess one major difference is the 4-year course of BSN degree to be an RN from the 2-year course? to be an LPN.

Yes I truly want to NURSE here in Alberta and as soon as I start working as an RN, I will be able to collaborate with other LPN's and learn more about your scope of practice; and as soon as I find more information, I will let you know Fiona59. Thanks for the forehand information and enlightenment though.

[Fiona59]

You'll be surprized. Many new grads are paired up with experienced PNs for their orientation on their first units.

[purplehippo]

For sure I will be. Thanks. I would also for sure appreciate the help.

[Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSN]

Fiona. Our labs teachers are teaching them some skills because they haven't done it the Philippines. for example catherization.

Purplehippo! you really don't understand what a LPN does don't you here in Alberta? they're scope of practice is in par with RNs but limited in some areas. and LPN are licensed practical NURSES! Norquest PN Program is basically the old RN diploma. like fiona69 said, we have our own patients, we administer meds, Start IV's, etc. LPN's works with RN's in the same units. RN's are not the bosses of LPN's they work collaboratively under a charge nurse. This isn't like the United States where LPN's are limited to limited duties. I'm in the PN program and later on bridge to BScN with experinece and you know what i have truly respect for LPN's especially our lab teachers who have been around! They can do whatever any RN can do. If you wanna read up the scope of practice go to the CLPNA website and it will have scopes of practices.

Furthermore, i have spoken with some of these Flilipino nurses. Some of them didn't even write the NCLEX exam and they cannot just work here a bit and move to the states. Some of them don't even want to go to the states. I don't know where you got this information?

[TheCommuter]

Originally Posted by purplehippo

Yup, all they undergo is an orientation, because they are all competent and equipped with skills as NURSES, not as LPN's...

The "N" in LPN stands for "Nurse." Whether they're practicing in the US or Canada, LPNs are nurses, as well as competent members of the healthcare team.

[purplehippo]

I never said RN's are bosses of LPN's. Sorry if you got that impression. I apologize about not having much information about LPN`s as I have said back home we don't even have LPN's... only RN's and NA's. Please take note that eventhough I lack information reagrding your practice, I used the ``word`` COLLABORATE? And I would for sure APPRECIATE the help from the LPN`s once I get to work.. And as I have said to Fiona59, I will get back to her once I learn more... I willl get back to you too Flipjlo LPN to RNBSN, no problem. Right now, that is not my priority, but for sure I will get back to you.

My friend who is an NCLEX passer who will be arriving tomorrow and work as an LPN said that Mercan agency prefers to hire Philippine RN`s that are NCLEX passers so they can easily work as LPN without writing the board exam. I got the information that they will be going to US eventually since so far, that`s what my friend said... Almost everyone who holds a US license will go work to US eventually. Well, if they took NCLEX, their primary goal is to be an RN in the US, not to ba an LPN in Canada or anywhere else. Ask THE NCLEX passers (if they will admit, good luck with that) not the ones WITHOUT the US RN...

[suzanne4]

Sorry, but I am not buying any of it, and the thought that Canada will permit one to work in the role of a licensed nurse without having passed the exam there is simply crazy. And without a license, be forewarned that one will not have malpractice insurance as a nurse and will be open to all types of lawsuits.

Guess that this wonderful agency did not tell anyone about that. any insurance company requires a license in that locale. And passing the NCLEX in the US does not meet the requirements for that. So if one gets sued, they will be losing everything including their visa, and could face criminal proceedings because in the eye of the patient, this person is not licensed in Canada, and I am sure that the attorneys would have a field day with it.

There are enough issues with skills right now from those that have trained in many of the programs in the Philippines and with clinical instructors that have never worked as well, but they are teaching how to do something. Not a good idea either.

If this is what medicine is coming to in Canada, that is not a good thing for the patients.

[purplehippo]

(Please disregard my prior post. This is the one I am supposed to submit, thanks)

I never said RN's are bosses of LPN's. Sorry if you got that impression. I apologize about not having much information about LPN`s as I have said back home we don't even have LPN's... only RN's and NA's. Please take note that eventhough I lack information reagrding your practice, I used the ``word`` COLLABORATE? And I would for sure APPRECIATE the help from the LPN`s once I get to work.. I believe it is a team effort... end point: quality patient care.

Thanks for all the information of enlightening me. And as I have said to Fiona59, I will get back to her once I learn more... I willl get back to you too Flipjlo LPN to RNBSN, no problem. Right now, that is not my priority, but for sure I will get back to you.

My friend who is an NCLEX passer who will be arriving tomorrow and work as an LPN said that Mercan agency prefers to hire and is LOOKING FOR Philippine RN`s THAT ARE NCLEX passers so they can easily work as LPN without writing the board exam. I got the information that these NCLEX PASSERS will be going to US eventually since so far, that`s what my friend said...Evryone in her batch will be doing that. Stay for a year or as soon as the US application is approved, they can go to US. Besides, it is not unknown, some threads here even resented that fact. Almost everyone from the pool of nurses recruited by Mercan agency who holds a US license were advised to apply as LPN`s here in Alberta. If not all, almost will go work to US eventually. Well, if they took NCLEX, their primary goal is to be an RN in the US, not to be an LPN in Canada or anywhere else. Now, where are you from. Ask THE NCLEX passers recruited by Mercan agency working as LPN`s in Alberta if they will be going to US eventually (if they will admit, good luck with that) not the ones WITHOUT the US RN since for sure they will also follow the process as they are not covered with what they call reciprocity for NCLEX passers... The source of my information...my friend who openly admitted that after a year of working as an LPN, she will move to the US... and she said that everyone in her batch is planning to do just that!