[HM2Viking]

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/200...ealth_care.php

In addition to questions about IHCIA reauthorization, the Bush administration has also targeted the elimination of health care for urban Indians (Indians who no longer live on their tribal reservations). The administration tried to eliminate the entire Urban Indian Health Program from the 2007 budget but Congress restored it. Now the administration has again removed the entire $33 million program from the proposed 2008 budget.
In addition to cost-saving concerns, the administration claims to be worried that serving urban Indians is largely a race-based action which federal courts would disapprove of, a White House spokesman told the Senate Indian Affairs Committee on March 8. The alleged problem lies in the possibility of some people who are of Indian heritage but not enrolled in federally-recognized tribes might receiving care at Urban Indian Health Service facilities. But this argument is clearly specious. In fact, the definition of an Indian to be served under the IHCIA is the same as it has been for the past 30 years and is similar to the definition of Indian found in President Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act.
The U.S. Supreme Court long ago laid to rest the idea that government programs for the benefit—or even to the detriment—of Indians is a racially-based “affirmative action” issue. In 1974, the Supreme Court stated in Morton v. Mancari that the relationship of the United States to the Indian nations and their citizens is a political and treaty-based relationship and is part of the federal government’s government-to-government relationship with Indian tribes. Thus, congressional acts regarding tribes and Indians are not racial or affirmative action laws but political and diplomatic acts of the Congress vis-à-vis the tribal governments and authorized by Article I, section 8 of the Constitution.

[noggin_wise]

So what's your point? There are enough tribal casinos in this country to shoulder the burden

[pickledpepperRN]

...American Indians have access to federally-paid health care based on hundreds of treaties the United States signed with Indian nations, under the accepted federal practice of more than 100 years and as a requirement of the trust responsibility the U.S. owes the Indian nations to care for their welfare...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/200...ealth_care.php

If the Indians don't like the United States they should go back where they came from..

[ertravelrn]

As an American Indian, I carry insurance and use local facilities. However, at times I have used the Indian hospitals and clinics. My daughter uses them at this time, and my Mother does also. My tribe has built their hospitals/clinics and shared the burden of staffing them with the government.
The "free" health care is not the best, and at times is scary. The services are limited, and the pharmacy is very limited in the medications it carries.

[noggin_wise]

Thanks for pointing out another fine example of governemnt run health care.

Originally Posted by ertravelrn

As an American Indian, I carry insurance and use local facilities. However, at times I have used the Indian hospitals and clinics. My daughter uses them at this time, and my Mother does also. My tribe has built their hospitals/clinics and shared the burden of staffing them with the government.
The "free" health care is not the best, and at times is scary. The services are limited, and the pharmacy is very limited in the medications it carries.

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by ertravelrn

As an American Indian, I carry insurance and use local facilities. However, at times I have used the Indian hospitals and clinics. My daughter uses them at this time, and my Mother does also. My tribe has built their hospitals/clinics and shared the burden of staffing them with the government.
The "free" health care is not the best, and at times is scary. The services are limited, and the pharmacy is very limited in the medications it carries.

How fortunate the program does exist, what would your daughter and mother be using as healthcare otherwise? Cutting funding to these programs certainly wont make them any better.Why not create a plan of health care that provides good care for everyone, so no one , not the veterens , not the Native Americans, not the indigent, not the rich and not the middle class is left out . We can do this, we have had examples of universal healthcare that doesnt work,like Canada, why not instead look to those that do work, like the European models, like the Scandanavian countries?

[ertravelrn]

Don't misunderstand, I am glad it is there, but I want people to understand that it is very limited care. It is not like what I have with insurance. It is wasting a whole day at the clinic.......first come, first serve. I think folks have an unrealistic view of this free care. This care was given to us as part of the treaties that were signed.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by ertravelrn

Don't misunderstand, I am glad it is there, but I want people to understand that it is very limited care. It is not like what I have with insurance. It is wasting a whole day at the clinic.......first come, first serve. I think folks have an unrealistic view of this free care. This care was given to us as part of the treaties that were signed.

That is exactly why I posted the excerpt. I take very seriously the agreements that my government signs and I expect my government to keep those promises in full to Veterans (many of whom are Indians) and the Indian nations.

Not all tribes are able to have casinos because of the various state gaming compacts.

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

That is exactly why I posted the excerpt. I take very seriously the agreements that my government signs and I expect my government to keep those promises in full to Veterans (many of whom are Indians) and the Indian nations.

Not all tribes are able to have casinos because of the various state gaming compacts.

Correct. The poverty on reservations is well documented. The health problems with diabeties, cardiac problems, infant mortality, alcholism, etc. is also well documented. Despite the existance of a few casinos around the country.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by Tweety

Correct. The poverty on reservations is well documented. The health problems with diabeties, cardiac problems, infant mortality, alcholism, etc. is also well documented. Despite the existance of a few casinos around the country.

The Rosebud and Pine ridge reservations are prime examples of the problems of poverty and poor health.