RN to Paramedic Bridge Course - page 3

I'm wondering if any of you might know of a RN to Paramedic bridge course. I'd like to get my certification as a Paramedic, but don't want to have to through a whole year of school to do it! Let me... Read More

  1. Visit  RRT/RN} profile page
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    Quote from MAnders1405
    I am an RRT EMT-B with ACLS. I would like to see several bridge courses like RRT to EMT-P, RN to EMT-P, EMT-P to RN just to name a few.

    I agree this is a great thought, however, the downside is probably funding these programs, and having enough people interested in taking the classes. My RRT/Paramedic bridge started out with 10 people (in Central FL). Eight of those people commuted from N. FL and two quit...They didn't have that program avail this fall because of lack of interest.
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  3. Visit  emergencyrmnurse} profile page
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    Quote from Jim Rodgers
    Crieghton University in Neb. has had a INTENSIVE six(or 8)-week program in the past, you may check with them. I believe it is a very worthwhile combination. The flight program I work for(Portneuf LifeFlight, Pocatello, ID.) encourages all RN's to be cross-trained as paramedics. It makes staffing easier and a stronger program. I've done it backwards. I have been a paramedic for 17 years and just finished the RN program. I also teach in a community college and we are researching the idea of a RN to Paramedic bridge program.
    Will a paramedic's license transfer across state lines?
  4. Visit  H60Medic} profile page
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    As long as you pass the National Registry, you should be good to go. Some states require that you take a state test as well.


    Quote from emergencyrmnurse
    Will a paramedic's license transfer across state lines?
  5. Visit  mrblair} profile page
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    Program in Ohio I am a paramedic in Ohio, and yes there is a bridge program in Ohio. Get in touch with Columbus, Ohio in the government area of Ohio and see if that helps.
    Quote from DuceRN
    Our flight program requires all transport nurses to get EMT-P cert. In Ohio there is a bridge course from RN to Medic, the class was approx 2 months long.
  6. Visit  MFlash} profile page
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    Quote from FFrnEMTP
    sad to see that a registered nurse can't spell...
    it's PARAMEDIC...with a D not a T.

    on that note, some of us diehard paramedics-turned-RNs still work in the field for one reason or another. i do it for extra money, to maintain my medical command so i can fly someday soon, and for the sheer FUN of being out in the world instead of stuck in the ED.

    i also like to volunteer with my fire department when i'm home and available. it's a great way to give back to your community. there doesn't necessarily have to be a whopping monetary reward for ALL our behaviour. if that were true i'd be going to anesthesia school instead of shooting for our helicopter program.

    just my 2 pennies...worth just that, i'm sure

    ange
    Hey, I know people with Phd's that can't spell. ....deal with it!
  7. Visit  FlyingSquirrel} profile page
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    QUOTE: "The skills to perform the procedures you mentioned above can easily be taught in a two week course. In fact, you could probably teach 6th graders to do these things."

    Not likely. Advanced airway management, for one, is not as easy as you think...how many times have seen experienced ED docs have a hard time getting a tube in a well lit ED with lots of help, lots of room, the patient in the perfect position, and everything neatly organized around them? Now have them try it in a dark muddy ditch or in the back of a noisy, swaying helicopter, or in the bright sunlight. Now have a nurse with little or no advanced airway expereince try. It is an art form that you will master only with LOTS of practice, not in two weeks.

    QUOTE: "The real skill comes not in performing the procedure, but knowing WHEN to perform it."

    Actually, its knowing WHEN NOT to do these things that is important. There is a difference...

    QUOTE: I believe that working 2 years in a busy ICU provides you with plenty of experience and insight to be a fully qualified paramedic after completion of a bridge course.

    QUOTE: "I would put money on the grads from an RN-EMT-P bridge course having better skills and knowledge than those from a traditional EMT-P course any day."

    On what basis do you make these claims? ICU experience is great; a good ICU nurse knows at least as much about general clinical issues than ANY paramedic. But the worlds are SO VERY different...to think that being an ICU nurse will instantly make you a great paramedic, is like thinking that being a good runner means you must swim really well, too. They are both athletic activities, but too different to compare directly. ED nursing maybe, but not ICU nursing.

    QUOTE: "In another note, does anybody know of any other RN-paramedic courses besides Creighton? That's the only one I could find."

    There are lots of them. Look harder.

    Some nurses do well in this type of bridge program, many do not. Attitude is way more important than where you've worked for the past few years.

    Going into a program like this with the attitude that "I'm a great nurse, therefore I will be a great paramedic" is almost guaranteeing you will fail. I mean, you'll probably get through the course just fine, but you will not have the respect of you peers - whose guidance you will need - and probably not that of your med control docs. You must be more professional and humble than that, no matter what your background.
  8. Visit  CraigB-RN} profile page
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    The ego's in medicine always amaze me. Having been both Paramedic and Nurse, and having tought both. I can tell you the differences are not that great.

    To all you Paramedics out there, I hate to tell you this, but in reality, putting a nurse in the back of the ambulance is no different than a nurse moving from a med/surg floor to an ICU. No they can't do it all the day they start, but within a few months, there is nothing the medic can do that that nurse can't learn.

    Of course it goes the other way also. Given a efew months, after the asademic part of a nursing program (and it doesn't matter if the medic gets it traditionally or online) the medic will be indistiguashable from some one who started nursing school right out of high school.

    Now as for attitide, medics are generally more confident, even when they have no clue what is going on. (that's a job requirment in some places) and that does show.

    The other intagable factors in this who argument is that no two service area's are alike. A medic working in a rural, 1-2 call a day service isn't going to have the same background as one who works in a busy service with broad protocals. This goes the same for the nurse. If they work in a slow 4 bed ICU they aren't going to have the same luck as one who has spent a couple of years in a SICU in a place like Hopkins. But that is going to depend on the person.

    In no case is the person who is right out of school ready to be on their own. The last place I worked as a medic, I was the training officer, it took at least 6 months to a year before the medic was ready to be on their own. Guess what it's the same for nurses in ICU's.


    To those of you nurses who want to go out and become medics. Go for it. Remember that you can't be doing both at the same time. You are either a Medic or a Nurse. Think about why you want to become a medic. Some of he best flight nurses I've ever worked with over the years were never medics.

    Most important! Don't let any of the ego's around you, stop you from doing something. Because in most cases it is just ego.
    NightBloomCereus, Magelan, and SummitRN like this.
  9. Visit  FlyingSquirrel} profile page
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    QUOTE: "The ego's in medicine always amaze me".

    Me too. I dont know how on earth someone could think that, just because they have a couple years experience in ICU nursing, they are prepared to function as a fully qualified paramedic the day they finish their two week bridge course. Asinine.

    When I was a new nurse it NEVER crossed my mind that I was a "fully qualified ICU nurse" the day I graduated school, even though I had been a paramedic for 6 years and had been doing critical care transport (with a-lines, swans, vents, etc) for 4 years. What do you think the hospital staff would have thought of me if I gave that impression and had that attitude? Thats the same thing Mr. ICU Nurse will get from his partners and medical director if he doesn't show some humility when he's a new paramedic. And that doesn't even touch on all the trouble a new paramedic will get their patients into if they don't manage things correctly. An ambulance or a helicopter is not an ICU.

    QUOTE: "Having been both Paramedic and Nurse, and having tought both. I can tell you the differences are not that great."

    I am both as well (FT as a flight paramedic/nurse and part time as an ICU and ED nurse) and I disagree that the differences are few. There is alot of overlap in the knowledge base and skill set, but there are alot of differences too. Most of the differences are ones of approach and philosophy, but they are real factors.

    Some skills, such as performing an RSI and successfuly manageing a truly difficult airway, takes lots and lots of preparation and practice, along with the right mindset and attitude. This is NOT stuff you can teach to sixth graders. This is not stuff you can teach anyone in two weeks.

    I've been involved in training alot of new flight nurses, and of course most of them adapted just fine to the prehospital role, whether they became paramedics or not. But I dont think I've ever worked with a flight nurse who didn't say something to the effect of, "when i worked in the unit I had no idea how much paramedics know and do", and also that they've "learned so much from my paramedic partners" since they started flying. Most have also said that they felt totally in over their heads when they first started picking up sick patients from scene calls, even though they were very experienced and very competent in the hospital setting. This would not have been much different even if they had taken the Creighton program right before starting with us, I assure you.

    There's no doubt in my mind that any good nurse can fairly easily learn to be a good paramedic - no doubt at all. And I encourage any nurse who wants to take their role as a paramedic seriously, to go ahead and do it. We need more good people in EMS and critical care transport just like nursing needs more good people.

    But for anyone who thinks that being a nurse makes you already qualified to work as a paramedic, you've got a rude awakening coming. If you dont believe me, give it a try your way....
  10. Visit  CraigB-RN} profile page
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    I didn't mean to imply that it was easy. But having helped many nurses go throught he transistion over the past 25 year, Making a nurse a good prehosptial provider is no different than making a good SICU nurse. It's the same process, the only difference is that the ICU room is smaller and more cramped.

    Some can do it and some can't. No training program, Paramedic or Nurse produces a person who is safe out on the streets by themselves the day they graduate. It takes more than 2 weeks it takes more than 6 months. That is why services have paramedic supervisors to be availble to mentor people.

    And I will stand on my statement that there are fewer differences than both sides believe there is. It's alway funny to hear the paramedics saying that nurses couldn't do what I do, but they want to be able to challenge part if not all of the basic nursing education.

    It all boils down to training. If a nurse can get the "appropriate" for them training OJT in the back of an ambulance or helicopter, that's fine. As long as it's cometency based.

    But I do agree just because you'r a nurse doesn't make you a paramedic, just like an OB nurse couldn't float to the ER or ICU or even Oncology.
  11. Visit  sway} profile page
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    Squirrel,

    If you read my post more carefully, I think you'll notice that I never claimed that an RN fresh out of a 2 week medic course was "proficent". In fact, I think they would have a lot to learn. The point I was trying to make is that they're just as qualified, and perhaps more so, than a EMT-P new grad.

    Should I complete my EMT-P via a 2 week course, I will have the utmost humility and will readily bow down to any medic with experience. I won't, however, listen to anyone tell me that I'm not qualified to be a medic with only a 2 week course. I'm not saying I'll be an expert, but simply qualified. Obviously, NREMT sides with me.
  12. Visit  psl2009} profile page
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    Quote from ironjohn929
    I'm wondering if any of you might know of a RN to Paramedic bridge course. I'd like to get my certification as a Paramedic, but don't want to have to through a whole year of school to do it! Let me know if you can help!
    Ironjohn,
    You should look at the state EMS rules as well. Here in Florida you can challenge the paramedic exam and to do that you have to have your EMT-B, ACLS, and BCLS. They also strongly suggest PALS and NRP. I am figuring the reason you want your medic is to fly. Good luck.
  13. Visit  RoxanRN} profile page
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    Quote from sway
    Squirrel,

    If you read my post more carefully, I think you'll notice that I never claimed that an RN fresh out of a 2 week medic course was "proficent". In fact, I think they would have a lot to learn. The point I was trying to make is that they're just as qualified, and perhaps more so, than a EMT-P new grad.

    Should I complete my EMT-P via a 2 week course, I will have the utmost humility and will readily bow down to any medic with experience. I won't, however, listen to anyone tell me that I'm not qualified to be a medic with only a 2 week course. I'm not saying I'll be an expert, but simply qualified. Obviously, NREMT sides with me.
    Ok, let me get this right.... by your logic then, it stands to reason that as an experienced EMICT (EMT-P in most places) fresh out of RN school, I'm more qualified RN than my non-medic classmates. Would this be acurate?
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    Quote from RoxanRN2003
    Ok, let me get this right.... by your logic then, it stands to reason that as an experienced EMICT (EMT-P in most places) fresh out of RN school, I'm more qualified RN than my non-medic classmates. Would this be acurate?
    Hmmm, If I understand your questions correctly, yes. If you compared two new RN graduates from the same program, and one was an EMT-P and one was not, I would expect a higher level of skill and knowledge from the one with EMT-P experience. I'm not sure this will make you more "qualified" for anything, but it certainly improves your knowledge. Just my opinion.

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