New Grads!!! There IS a way to SURVIVE!! - page 2

by LadyFree28

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I have started a thread based on an off shoot if solutions to help create a marketplace for new Grads. I was on a 12-year plan en route to my BSN....from failing ADN school at 19 due to a cyclothymia trait and test anxiety,... Read More


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    Quote from PedsHopeful
    How did you land a PICU job after 8 months of being "out of action"?
    Honestly, I didn't even apply for the position...I was applying to a ECMO team position, which hired new grads and the wording described that they were "willing to train." I had uploaded a skills-specific résumé-which a nurse recruiter at a career fair suggested I used, months ago-and the recruiter for critical care sent me an email wanting to do a phone screen. The process went from there. Based on what I described about how I liked seeing a variety of pts, she suggested that I try the PICU...my phone screen was in September, interview November (which included a shadow experience) and they offered me the position the Friday before Christmas Eve. Although I knew 2 classmates who got a job there (one is a Peds oncology nurse; she worked there as a unit secretary during school, she approached the nurse manager and expressed her interest in eventually becoming a Ped Onc NP; the other had no connections whatsoever; however, she applied about the same time of year the previous year and was hired on a step-down unit) I NEVER told them I was looking for a job there or listed them as referrals either. I knew I could get my own job on my own merits.
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    Quote from Aongroup1990
    I do like the city year program but what is the big commitment before I get into it. and does it involve traveling as well?
    I suggest you go directly to the city year website, or contact the agency directly to get more information. I was considering the program and I honestly cannot remember whether it involved traveling..It depends, but don't quote me on that. I have worked with the agency prior, and the agency has great individuals who are involved...at least in my area-and I heard all positive things about city year.
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    Quote from KelRN215
    Perkins Loans can be forgiven if you are a nurse but here's how it works... you have a six month grace period once you graduate before you have to begin making payments on your loan. Prior to this six month grace period ending you must submit your application for cancellation which must include a signature from your supervisor confirming that you are employed full time and your job description. Once this is submitted to your school, your loan is deferred for a year. At the end of the first year, you resubmit all of this paperwork, a percentage of your loan is canceled and then it is deferred for another year. After 5 years of full-time employment, your loan is canceled completely. If you are a new grad who is not employed, you don't qualify for this specific cancellation but could probably defer your loans for economic reasons/due to unemployment.

    You don't really get to "choose" Perkins Loans over Sallie Mae though... Perkins Loans are federal loans, the federal government gives you the amount they determine you qualify for based on your FAFSA and your school's opinions. Basically your school receives a certain amount of federal loan money and they determine how it is dispersed. If you still have a balance on your account after you receive your financial aid package, you can't just apply for more Perkins Loan money... that's where private loans like Sallie Mae come in.

    HRSA incentive programs only apply to nurses working in Health Professional Shortage Areas...

    I did a program through International Service Learning immediately after graduating from Nursing School. It's still on my resume and people still comment on it nearly 6 years later. I was a newly licensed nurse at the time and the only nurse/nursing student on the trip... everyone else was pre-med or in pharmacy school. There are a lot of similar programs around but, as backwards as it seems, volunteering abroad is expensive. It cost me around $5,000 to volunteer in Africa four years ago... the majority of that was the flight.
    Kel, I had an option in my FinAid packet to receive Perkins Loans..I had a choice at my institution, my comments in my post are regards to my own experiences.
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    Quote from plumbtrician
    New grads living in part of the USA where jobs are difficult to acquire? Life isn't easy, sacrifices must be made. I was living in California and moved to Texas to go to nursing school to avoid the trap that y'all are in right now. What I have found in my travels is that there are jobs in acute care all over the country in little places called Texas, Louisiana, Alabama...

    I will not volunteer to do something that I should get paid good money to do. I feel that this belittles the profession. If you didn't pick up my tone, I would move to a part of the country that is hiring new nurses. I praise you for your hard work, determination and drive. I wish you the best.

    Yeah, Texas kinda !@#$ for me.
    plumbtrician, I don't know if you read my post, but I do have a job...it took me time, but I got a job WITHOUT moving...If I needed to move, then I would've moved if it meant stepping in to the RN role...I am not against moving, however, not everyone is in a position to move. There are people who honestly are barely above water, a move can throw them into poverty, some people are disabled, where health wise a move would diminish the quality of life they hold on to so dearly. Again, this thread is to provide ways to pay down nurses investment in their education...if you can find a more cost effective option or program that can help new grads be able to flex their skills while contributing to the principle of their loans, then by all means post, otherwise, your post is more directed to other posts on AN...this thread is for our of the box options where the rest of the options won't throw anyone into further debt and give them much needed experience to help bulk up their career.

    And btw, I volunteer, and am a proponent of volunteering...to serve others is a noble asset to have...the same assets we have as nurses. Volunteering landed me my first healthcare job 12 years ago...so it is just as effective, IMHO.
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    Sorry, I guess I just know too many new grads who whine about not being able to get a job out of school. That is where I was coming from. Sorry for getting off of topic.

    I am a BIG proponent of volunteering! BUT...in the right setting and circumstance and if it lands you a job...you can't beat that.
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    not everyone is in a position to move. There are people who honestly are barely above water, a move can throw them into poverty, some people are disabled, where health wise a move would diminish the quality of life they hold on to so dearly.
    Thank you for understanding!!! I wish more people could understand this. I wish there were more people who had eyesight that went further than the wall in front of them. When I say people I mean in general. You are a perfect example of what a nurse should represent!
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    Good for you plumbtrician! I applaud your honesty and your humility. It's good you took the initiative to travel outside your safety zone. I would love if this thread displayed all of our talents so that we could make peace with each other. If you think about it, we are competting against each other to take care of other people! This shows you what kind of people us nurses are. "I want to help" "No I want to help"

    I personally hate mud slinging...

    I wish there was a way to have new grads and want to be retires but can't afford to retire come up with a solution that is very beneficial to all of us. I dunno, something like having the experienced nurse as the official hospital nurse perceptor, whose job is to teach 10 externs and not have the insane other responsibilities on top of this, and have a great salary on top of this hopefully (it's the least that can be done, because this program could save the hospital money down the line from bad apple investments). Maybe the $ could come from the cuts that the hospitals received from decreased patient satisfaction ratings.

    This could be a pilot program, maybe 4 to 8 patients per 10 externs. The other patients are the other staffs responsibility (they will be helped out because they will each have 2-4 less patients, and we have to figure out how to protect these nurses from getting the boot too!). At the end of the program, she/he could let go the whiny new grads who wear heels to clinical and replace them with the other ones waiting. Of course there will be a lot of competition..

    maybe this might be a horrible idea because the unassertive students may be great nurses but not competitive..also a lot of room for abuse....Help me out here. This is a brainstorm.
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    Quote from plumbtrician
    Sorry, I guess I just know too many new grads who whine about not being able to get a job out of school. That is where I was coming from. Sorry for getting off of topic.

    I am a BIG proponent of volunteering! BUT...in the right setting and circumstance and if it lands you a job...you can't beat that.
    plumbtrician, I have heard the stories too on AN...there have been people who say they can't find a job, but vent about the interviews and jobs they have passed up in the same breath as well.

    No apologies needed ...I am still appreciative of your contribution in the conversation!
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    Quote from Nightingallow

    Thank you for understanding!!! I wish more people could understand this. I wish there were more people who had eyesight that went further than the wall in front of them. When I say people I mean in general. You are a perfect example of what a nurse should represent!
    I was disabled when I returned to school. A lot of people have to realize that education attracts people of ALL walks of life, and from a school of thought that knowledge is power...what I don't get is a portion of people get high and mighty or "tunnel vision" of what fits the "description" sometimes of a "college student"...I'm attempting to put things in perspective for many, I hope. Thanks!!
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    Quote from Nightingallow
    Good for you plumbtrician! I applaud your honesty and your humility. It's good you took the initiative to travel outside your safety zone. I would love if this thread displayed all of our talents so that we could make peace with each other. If you think about it, we are competting against each other to take care of other people! This shows you what kind of people us nurses are. "I want to help" "No I want to help"

    I personally hate mud slinging...

    I wish there was a way to have new grads and want to be retires but can't afford to retire come up with a solution that is very beneficial to all of us. I dunno, something like having the experienced nurse as the official hospital nurse perceptor, whose job is to teach 10 externs and not have the insane other responsibilities on top of this, and have a great salary on top of this hopefully (it's the least that can be done, because this program could save the hospital money down the line from bad apple investments). Maybe the $ could come from the cuts that the hospitals received from decreased patient satisfaction ratings.

    This could be a pilot program, maybe 4 to 8 patients per 10 externs. The other patients are the other staffs responsibility (they will be helped out because they will each have 2-4 less patients, and we have to figure out how to protect these nurses from getting the boot too!). At the end of the program, she/he could let go the whiny new grads who wear heels to clinical and replace them with the other ones waiting. Of course there will be a lot of competition..

    maybe this might be a horrible idea because the unassertive students may be great nurses but not competitive..also a lot of room for abuse....Help me out here. This is a brainstorm.
    I LOVE your idea though...the strength of nursing's past to pass the torch is a great idea...this can give opportunity for both sides of the spectrum to continue to provide the BEST of nursing...if this would come to fruition, it may shape unassertive nurses into nursing activists, lol... Great brainstorm!!!
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