I'm getting terminated from my first nursing job - page 7
I have violated a hospital policy, not in patient care or a hippa violation, but I've made a mistake of hooking up with a coworker in the parking lot after work. This ended up to the manager, and we... Read More
Feb 1, '13 by Daisy_08, BSN, RNQuote from gaonsiI am too, but in this case the here/hear was me have fun (in my head i know I'm hilarious, and perfect. Hilarious and perfect I am). The rest was my phone "fixing" my spellingAs evidenced by your incorrect use of the homonym here and spelling of guarantees. Lol I'm sorry, I couldn't help it! ( I'm the worst typer this side of the entire world)
Feb 1, '13 by Shiner50Definitely try to resign if they are going to fire you. And as another poster said, if they decide to keep you around, keep looking for another job. As soon as you get one, put in your 2 weeks and leave on good terms.
I'm sure you feel like a complete idiot for what y'all did, and I'm sure you are terrified about what is going to happen next. I've had my fate in someone else's hands before and it is a gut wrenching feeling. Mistakes and bad judgement calls create opportunies to improve yourself. This sounds like a wake up call for you that will hopefully lead you to making better decisions in the future... both in your professional and private life. This will pass and whatever the outcome, you will eventually be just fine! Don't ever let something like this happen again!! That kind of bad judgement has gotta go out the window.... for good.
Feb 1, '13 by BrandonLPN, LPNQuote from drowningdailyTechnically, the word "god" is only capitalized in specific circumstances. If one is referring to the Judeo-Christian God, then it's a proper noun and is capitalized. But if one just means "god" as in "a god", like Zeus or Athena or whatever, the word is not capitalized. Who knows how britishnomore intended the word? ...... (as long as we're being nit-picky )I would suggest you review some grammar basics. I would review comma usage, run on sentences and the capitalization of proper nouns. It would, for the love of God, lend credibility to your opinions.
Feb 1, '13 by azirr05PEOPLE, focus! This is not English 101. This guy just wants us to show him the light.
I don't have to judge u. What happened happened.
Getting back to your question, here are my thought.
Here are the possibilities:
:: it is better to resign than to get fired. But it is better to stay at this time as work openings are rare.
:: u can always sense if they are getting u fired because they will not listen to u. Before he will do this, resign. Bring a letter with u at all times. Dont put the date. Lol
:: but when u resign, thank them and be apologetic and admit your faults and what plans u have.
Nonetheless do this:
Look for jobs elsewhere and get a reference from someone who will not judge u for the thing u did but the quality and effective nursing care u always do.
The best thing u can do is to talk to the HR first. Ask her the best move u can make. Do not let her dwell into talking about the thing that had happened but tell her that u have learned from what had happened and you are moving forward and would want to have good opportunities with your career be it in the company or elsewhere.
I wish you good luck and may God bless u in everyway.
Feb 1, '13 by MBrickleI find the responses to this post to be very interesting and its super easy to see those who have lived simple lives and those who have had a bit more adventure as they tend to be more understanding!
Obviously hooking up on company property was a mistake, however, its far from the worst thing to ever happen. I can see how it violates company policy and draws your overall judgement into question.
That being said, if they do decide to terminate you I would try and negotiate a resignation. They may be willing to do that since you didn't put anyone in danger and since your nursing skills aren't in question. Continue to look for new jobs and maybe you can land something before a decision is handed down. Find people who would be willing to give you a recommendation.
I consider myself a "calculated risk-taker" especially when I was younger. Just remember to think things through....you can have passion and adventure on your life while still making responsible decisions. Good luck!
Feb 1, '13 by NurseadamThank you guys ( last 2 posters) that was helpfulf..
Wouldn't the "not eligible to rehire" hurt my chances of getting a job at any new facility?
Oh my what have I done to myself and career
Feb 1, '13 by iluvivtSome lively comments here. I tend to be a bit more understanding in situations like this and though while it may have not been the best decison I can understand it because I am human. I am certain that part of the excitement of the situation was the fact that it was in the parking lot and was somewhat risky and was fun before you got caught. As a matter of fact I am certain that if I had seen that in my hospital parking lot I would not have reported it.
Great advice from MBrickle! What is your calculated quess about what your employer will do based upon what they have done in the past with nurses put on leave? I personally would not jump the gun and quit as they just may keep you and you can overcome this and move on and continue to provide good nursing care to your patients.
Please let us know the outcome. It will all work out and hang in there. Many others have done things like this in their past and have just not been caught!
Feb 1, '13 by Patti_RNI'll return to the OP's questions, without judgment.
Most employers will not share the exact reasons for termination when a new, prospective employer requests a reference. Many people believe there is a law that forbids this, but it's more the threat that the employee will sue for defamation that prevents employers from sharing the details or reasons an employee left or was terminated. So, officially, your employer will state, "Mr. Smith was employed here in the capacity of an RN from August, 2012 to January 2013." That will be the extent of what they state in writing or by email--but, if the manager where you are applying calls her friend, the manager where you were dismissed, the 'off the record' details may be given. So, you're taking a risk if you claim to have left voluntarily and they find out otherwise. They will likely assume you've been terminated (even if they don't know the details) because you are applying for jobs while not currently employed (few people quit a job before securing a new one).
It's very likely the next move is termination after suspending you. Employers are careful to dot their i's and cross their t's before firing an employee. They don't want to be in a position where they are forced to rehire, pay unemployment, or lose a lawsuit. This is the reason people are first suspended then days or weeks later they are terminated. You might choose to resign as you could legitimately state on future applications that you quit, rather than have to say you were fired. (But, again, the truth has a way of coming out--honesty is virtually always the best policy.)
I have no idea how long you've had this job--you state it's your first job--but if you were there less than 6 months or even a year, you may simply choose to ignore this on your resume. One of my duties is hiring employees; I might be reluctant to hire someone who was terminated for what you did, but I'd also be hesitant to hire an applicant who graduated a year ago and has no nursing experience. Either way, your options aren't great. Unfortunately for those with less-than-perfect records, there is a lot of competition for very few nursing jobs. Employers can afford to be selective; with all things being equal between two applicants except one had a lapse in judgment and the other didn't, guess who will get the job?
My best advice is to resign, put your resume together (considering whether you think admitting to this is better or worse than having no work experience) and cross your fingers. I cannot predict how other employers will react; hiring managers are people, and people are individuals with very different standards and values. What one person believes is a youthful mistake, another will think is a terrible lapse of judgment (and not be willing to risk hiring someone who might make other bad decisions).
Your career may not recover from this (especially with the surplus of able and experienced nurses seeking jobs). I'm not trying to be harsh, but I read many of the replies to your original post and suspect you might have what employers call 'attitude problems'. You do accept responsibility for your actions--which is very admirable and mature, but some of your other comments come off as hostile and argumentative. It could be that you're stressed over this situation, which is understandable. But, for your sake, try to tone it down a notch or two. You'll be more employable and more respected by your colleagues and managers if you don't take the offensive when you don't agree with what others have said. Good luck.
Feb 1, '13 by eatmysoxRNI'll admit I'd probably seriously consider hooking up with some of the medical residents... They are gorgeous.
However, I would never do so on hospital property. It wouldn't be worth it.
Anyhow, I'm sure you've understood by now that you've made a mistake. I'd suggest you resign and move on. Put it on your resume. It's still valuable experience.
~ No One Can Make You Feel Inferior Without Your Consent -Eleanor Roosevelt ~
Feb 1, '13 by coffeegirl7Being in Nursing Leadership, I am always suspicious when I interview a nurse who is currently not employed because they resigned with no other job lined up. Yes you may get fired, but most HR departments will only reveal that you did work there for X number of months/years. Find another job ASAP, and in your interviews, explain that you have decided to move on because of a personal relationship with a co-worker. They can't ask more-and you don't need to offer more. You could be leaving because a relationship developed and you have decided it would be better to take it out of the workplace. Then go on about what you love in Emergency Nursing and what their facility has to offer/reasons you are interested in working for them. Just my suggestion-but I wouldn't hire you if you resigned with no job to go to, especially being a new nurse with less than a year of experience.
I am not going to judge the situation, you have your conscience to live with.
Feb 1, '13 by coffeegirl7By the way, did they review the code of conduct HR policy with you?
What you did is not ok, but if there is no policy that states anything about personal conduct on hospital property, you might have a legal leg to stand on to avoid termination. And if neither of you were clocked in at the time, it was your own time.
Feb 1, '13 by britishnomoreQuote from drowningdailyYou are right of course about that, but I also think that your point was unnecessary. The lack of capitalizing I's shows complete laziness.
I would suggest you review some grammar basics. I would review comma usage, run on sentences and the capitalization of proper nouns. It would, for the love of God, lend credibility to your opinions.
Feb 1, '13 by JolieQuote from NurseadamYes, it will. I am a hiring manager. If I receive this information from a reference, I figure that they know the candidate. I do not. If they won't hire the candidate based upon their knowledge of him, why should I take a chance?
Wouldn't the "not eligible to rehire" hurt my chances of getting a job at any new facility?
Unless the candidate has "run interference" by addressing a potential issue before I check the reference, this is the point where the application goes into the "NO" pile.
Another thought...not to "pile on" but to explain why this behavior is such an issue from a Human Resources standpoint. I manage a group of about 35 people. I could not care less who dates whom, who has sex with whom, or any other detail of their personal lives. It is none of my business, and I go to great lengths to AVOID the grape-vine and gossip because I don't want to know.
But when something happens right under a manager's nose, she can no longer keep blinders on. Managing a group of workers is a challenge from many perspectives. The biggest challenge is not related to skills, knowledge, work performance, or even attendance. It is relationships between co-workers, especially with a female-dominated work team. Guys would snicker, and quickly move on. Women do not respond the same way. An incident like this disrupts the work environment for a long time, and the person's continued presence on the unit will be viewed as a harbinger of problems to come, unless the manager is convinced otherwise.
Does that make sense?Last edit by Jolie on Feb 1, '13