HESI is Wrong ! Let's File Suit - page 6

i go to school in montgomery co. texas and have done okay in the nursing program making mainly bs through out the course, but i am not good at taking nursing test. comming from a trade background i... Read More

  1. by   beachbutterfly
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    It seems that the only people who find the HESI controversial are those who fail.
    Thank you.
    With that said yes some of the questions can be unfair and tricky but honestly if you studied in nursing schools you should be able to pass Hesi.
  2. by   angel40
    This message is for Nan 1985 I have alot of compassion for you. I know how hard you have worked to get where you are. Has anything happened about your hesi
  3. by   truern
    Quote from Nan1985
    Well actually cardiacrn2006,

    I know that if given the chance to take boards I would pass with flying colors and I already know I am a great clinical nurse and have passion for patients!
    You might do good to think before speaking on something that you may not know a whole lot about~
    Thanks
    I agree with the poster that said if you can't pass HESI how do you know you'd pass NCLEX with "flying colors"? Btw, I believe cardiacrn2006 probably indeed knows what she's talking about having passed HESI and NCLEX.

    Seriously, if I were having trouble passing a test that my FUTURE depended on, I believe I'd spend my free time studying instead of posting about it online. Just a thought.
  4. by   jollydogg_RN
    i feel your pain. i FINALLY passed HESI attempt 5 (our final one) this week. its a relief.

    oh.. and cardiacRN and truern.. all but 4 of our students passed this time. and YES, we are STILL pursuing our grievance at our school. i remember someone asking would i make such a big deal of it since i passed... the answer is YES.

    most schools that have the problems with the HESIs are the schools that need to have more instructor driven review and remediation for the HESI... not just have the HESI tossed to the students and hoped they pass it. our program was going to give us an F for EVERY nursing class we took if we failed the fifth hesi.... how is that right? i wouldn't have been able to apply anywhere else, and my grade would have been so low id have trouble applying to any college around me. is that right?

    if you feel that instruction at your institution has been poor, and that the instructors haven't been giving you the proper INSTRUCTOR DRIVEN REVIEW that the evolve website instructors guide for the HESI administration TELLS the instructors to give the students, then contact student affairs at your school!

    i GAURANTEE if you get a group of students (we got around 55 signatures), write a grievance out (stating the facts, leaving feelings out of it), and get a group of about 20 of you going to student affairs, i promise you'll get some sort of ball rolling.

    for all of those posters saying "dont bother fighting the system, it wont work"... well, i guess minorities and women shouldn't have fought to get the right to vote. i guess rosa parks should have gotten up for that nice white gentleman and sat her ass down in the back of the bus.
  5. by   beth66335
    I hate that so many of you have to go through this. We take a test at the end of our Senior year, but it doesn't matter if we pass it. It is just to give us an idea of how we might do on the NCLEX and give the teachers some data on how they might improve the curriculum...and that's all it should be for.
  6. by   monkeyadale
    Quote from jollydogg
    for all of those posters saying "dont bother fighting the system, it wont work"... well, i guess minorities and women shouldn't have fought to get the right to vote. i guess rosa parks should have gotten up for that nice white gentleman and sat her ass down in the back of the bus.
    Are you seriously comparing challenging a schools HESI policy to the struggle for civil rights????:angryfire
    Instead of trying to "fight the system" spend your time and effort studying so you can pass the test.
  7. by   jollydogg_RN
    what do you think "fighting the system" is all about?

    its about trying to get a change into something that people think is wrong.

    its not about comparing it to civil rights, its about standing up for what YOU think is right. and obviously, there is a base for support for this issue.

    and i DID pass the hesi this time. that doesn't mean im giving up on our fight at our school to change the system. if everyone just layed down bcause they thought "its not worth it it wont help" then there would never be change and stuff like the 19th amendment would have never happened. so yes, it IS like fighting for civil rights.

    heres a right back at ya.
  8. by   monkeyadale
    No need to define what fighting the system is about to me.......have done it on many an occasion.


    Here is where our opinions differ: A person being denied an opportunity because of the color of their skin, etc......an offense worth fighting for.


    A student who can not pass a required exit exam after the maximum attempts prescribed by their school policy which they agreed to when they signed up for their program.......not so much.
  9. by   jollydogg_RN
    well, in our case, it is worth fighting for. and apparently so does the legal system in some cases of students.

    take our school.... our student policy outlines when we are supposed to take each hesi and also that remediation is to be instructor driven.... we were told after the second hesi "um.. you need to remediate on your own. we really cant help you"... strike 1.

    then... from april 13th to may 27th, we took THREE hesis. strike 2. nowhere NEAR our guideline for the spacing and remediation of hesis.

    im just saying if my school was like this with the HESI, chances are others are too

    its worth fighting for.
  10. by   tfleuter
    Just because something doesn't compare to something as far reaching as Civil Rights, doesn't mean it isn't worth lobbying for. The students feel they have a grievance, it is worth it to THEM to follow the steps necessary to make themselves heard. In fact, it's their right to do so, so why discourage it or be offended by the comparison?

    I hate that so many of you have to go through this. We take a test at the end of our Senior year, but it doesn't matter if we pass it. It is just to give us an idea of how we might do on the NCLEX and give the teachers some data on how they might improve the curriculum...and that's all it should be for.
    I agree with you and wish more schools were like yours. These exit examines that can prevent students from graduating from their program, even after maintaining passing grades, only benefits the school and not the students. If it were just about evaluating the quality of their curriculum, then they would allow students (who are otherwise qualified) to graduate regardless of their performance on the exit exam. But NCLEX passing rates are obviously a big deal for schools; they need to maintain a certain standard to keep their accreditation and know prospective students often seek out programs with excellent pass rates. Instead of tweaking their curriculum to ensure that it allows for the maximum amount of success (# of grads who pass the first time), they use an exit exam to weed out any students they see as potentially hurting their percentages.
  11. by   jollydogg_RN
    Quote from tfleuter
    Just because something doesn't compare to something as far reaching as Civil Rights, doesn't mean it isn't worth lobbying for. The students feel they have a grievance, it is worth it to THEM to follow the steps necessary to make themselves heard. In fact, it's their right to do so, so why discourage it or be offended by the comparison?



    I agree with you and wish more schools were like yours. These exit examines that can prevent students from graduating from their program, even after maintaining passing grades, only benefits the school and not the students. If it were just about evaluating the quality of their curriculum, then they would allow students (who are otherwise qualified) to graduate regardless of their performance on the exit exam. But NCLEX passing rates are obviously a big deal for schools; they need to maintain a certain standard to keep their accreditation and know prospective students often seek out programs with excellent pass rates. Instead of tweaking their curriculum to ensure that it allows for the maximum amount of success (# of grads who pass the first time), they use an exit exam to weed out any students they see as potentially hurting their percentages.


    THIS. Trust me, they aren't using these third party examinations to HELP us, they're doing it to PROTECT their pass rate.
  12. by   tfleuter
    I just went over the first 2 pages from this thread and see that my previous comment has been hashed out quite a bit! But I completely agree with post #9 and the way the whole process needs to be revised if nursing schools will continue to be forced maintain certain passing %. I think attrition is just as important as NCLEX passing ratios for indicating a quality curriculum.
  13. by   angel40
    first of all congrats on passing. I applaud you for your email. I couldn't have said it any better. Do you have any other advice.

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