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WyomingRN

127 Posts

If anyone has anything to add on where they have company liability insurance, could you please post it here for all of us to get the info?

My company insurance is with NSO. The company policy covers me and any nurses I have to hire throughout the year. This year my cost is approximately $300. Each year it is evaluated to see have many employees I have had. That is the main basis as to what the yearly cost is. It also covers them even though they are part time. I am happy with the policy as so far, I have not seen anything else anywhere to match the coverage or price.

The policy is in the company name and has the same coverage as my personal policy had- 1million/6 million.

NSO has a separate division for company/corporate policies. The number I have on my policy folder is 888-288-3534.

Nrs. LaLa-Land

116 Posts

I am an RN interested in Aeshtetics. I have searched various educational programs regarding Medical aesthetics. I am in So. Calif. and would be interested to know about the training program you went through (LaserRN). If you could answer any questions regarding what kind of licensure and certification you have and what you did to achieve them, I would greatly appreciate it!

I am currently signed up for a medical aesthetics mileu 2-day course in orange county. I am also considering the botox/dermal fillers course as well and probably the laser course too. What kind of laser course would you recommend. Is a one-day class enough training? Pretty expensive but I am prepared to invest in myself.

Please..any help or suggestions would be wonderful!

Thanks in advance!! :)

Nrs. LaLa-Land

laserRN

14 Posts

Hi,

I am curious as to which training class you signed up for. I work part time for the Esthetic Skin Institute....as a matter of fact I teach the Laser Class.

I took the training with the Eclectic Skin Institute which was a partnership that broke up. My Certificates came from them, and they have served me well. I am also certified from about 6 Laser Companies to treat with their equipment.

One of the partners (Sasha Parker) formed the Esthetic Skin Institute, (www.estheticskininstitute.com) and (having assisted with the parent co) asked me to help her. I am an assisitant instructor, but teach the Laser Class by myself.

From a rather biased view point :wink2: I think the classes are phenominal. You will get tons of hands on instruction. The information is complete, and as up-to-date as you can possibly get. You are given ways to practice (i.e., independent, business owner, employee, etc.), ways to set up a business....I could go on and on. The classe are a mix of M.D.s, R.N.s, and a few P.A.s.

I would love to hear back from you. You may have signed up for the A.E.I. classes, which are taught by the other former partner (Barbara Jones). I have not viewed her classes since she became independent, so I cannot speak to the quality of the course.

Hope that helps!

Kathy Jakary R.N., B.B.A.

I am an RN interested in Aeshtetics. I have searched various educational programs regarding Medical aesthetics. I am in So. Calif. and would be interested to know about the training program you went through (LaserRN). If you could answer any questions regarding what kind of licensure and certification you have and what you did to achieve them, I would greatly appreciate it!

I am currently signed up for a medical aesthetics mileu 2-day course in orange county. I am also considering the botox/dermal fillers course as well and probably the laser course too. What kind of laser course would you recommend. Is a one-day class enough training? Pretty expensive but I am prepared to invest in myself.

Please..any help or suggestions would be wonderful!

Thanks in advance!! :)

Nrs. LaLa-Land

Nrs. LaLa-Land

116 Posts

Hi...thanks for your reply.

I have signed up for the 2-Day Milieu class with Esthetic Skin Institute. I am also signing up for the Botox class. THe Dermal Fillers course and the LASER courses are full. I have looked into AEI classes but she is approx $500 more per class than Sasha Parker.

Since the ESI laser class is full, I was considering taking a course in San Diego. It is a one-day laser course for approx $1200. They are called the Academy of Aesthetics and Laser Medicine. They also offer the Dermal Filler course. I am taking that training through them. Do you know anything about this company?

I am going into this new area of my profession blindly. I have not had the opportunity to chat with an RN in this field. Needless to say..I was excited to see your post saying how much you love it.

Do you mind entertaining my questions?

In your experience, did you find it difficult to find a job in this line of work once your classes were completed? Do you feel like the training was enough to work competently and safely? My fear is that I am going to take these classes and not be able find an employer in my area. I would initially like to work in an office just to get some good experience...and then eventually venture out on my own. Would you recommend working for a plastic surgeon or a dermatologist? Can I expect my pay to be equivelant to my hospital pay?

Thanks so much for the info....I really appreciate it!!!

If anyone has anything to add on where they have company liability insurance, could you please post it here for all of us to get the info?

I have been a Registered Nurse for over 30yrs. The last 4yrs. self employed - "Independent Nurse". I get my personal indemnity insurance through the Queensland Nurses Union Membership. I do not have the details to hand but you could inquire through the nursing unions where you are - hopefully you do have some sort of body that gives you independent suport? I also have other insurance to cover me for sickness etc 'income protection' and 'disability insurance'.

Yes it is great being independent - and yes you have to be a bit of an entrepreneur to make it successful.

Good luck

Mister Chris. :specs:

laserRN

14 Posts

Hi Nrs. LaLa-Land

I have a website you may be interested in:

www.AMEN-usa.org

We have formed a National Organization for Medical Esthetic Nurses!

LaserRN

I am an RN interested in Aeshtetics. I have searched various educational programs regarding Medical aesthetics. I am in So. Calif. and would be interested to know about the training program you went through (LaserRN). If you could answer any questions regarding what kind of licensure and certification you have and what you did to achieve them, I would greatly appreciate it!

I am currently signed up for a medical aesthetics mileu 2-day course in orange county. I am also considering the botox/dermal fillers course as well and probably the laser course too. What kind of laser course would you recommend. Is a one-day class enough training? Pretty expensive but I am prepared to invest in myself.

Please..any help or suggestions would be wonderful!

Thanks in advance!! :)

Nrs. LaLa-Land

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NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN

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I went to the website and it only refers to 'employed nurses'. Not self-employed nurses. If you have any info to add we would sure appreciate it! :rolleyes:

Thank you,

Kathy

This organization has insurance for self employed, partnership, corporation and sole proprieter available (pulled out my policy) It my early homecare days, I was independent contractor and still had them as my malpractice insurnace company. Contact via website email or call 800-593-9230 Central Time.

NurseKimberley

67 Posts

Hi all,

I am really interested in getting in on the botox and fillers stuff...Anybody know of anything closer to Colorado as far as training?

Thanks!

KSKIMBER

4 Posts

Presently, I am working as a travel nurse. Recently, I have begun to do research in order to become an indep. contractor.

I have several questions it would be great if I could get some help.

Is it better to form a corporation or act as a sole proprietor? How do you determine the fees that are charged? How do you obtain a copy of a sample contract?

As an agency nurse I feel I am out of the loop regarding contracts. I know what my contract b/w me and my agency consists of, I would love to know what the standard contract is b/w my agency and the hospitals I contract with.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Kimber

MadelineGlass

20 Posts

I am very curious to here what you learn.please keep posting

Presently, I am working as a travel nurse. Recently, I have begun to do research in order to become an indep. contractor.

I have several questions it would be great if I could get some help.

Is it better to form a corporation or act as a sole proprietor? How do you determine the fees that are charged? How do you obtain a copy of a sample contract?

As an agency nurse I feel I am out of the loop regarding contracts. I know what my contract b/w me and my agency consists of, I would love to know what the standard contract is b/w my agency and the hospitals I contract with.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Kimber

NedRN

1 Article; 5,773 Posts

I have compiled a Frequently Asked Questions thread on becoming an independent contractor agency nurse that should answer all these questions, and has resources listed for further research. Look here:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/travelnurses/messages?msg=47834.1

sherryg0

14 Posts

Dear Retired:

I have done the leg work of becoming an independent, but I haven't had any luck promoting myself in my area. Do you have a sample letter that you send out or do you contact each nurse manager directly?

Thanks

Sherryg

I too am an "Independent Nurse". I got tired of all the OR call, politics, and lack of quality of life (because of all the call... 2 weeks a month of beeper AFTER the regular work day.) We also had a new DON. Before she came, it had been approved that 2 of us not on call could leave early when everything was done, still be paid, and HAVE A LIFE! IF we were slow during the day, and 4 of us did not always need to be there till the clock struck 3pm,we could take care of personal things that needed to be done, like a car repair, going to Walmart, seeing a ball game our child was playing in a nearby town, etc. Being able to do these thing ONCE IN AWHILE helped morale so much that we did not mind the 15 days a month we could not even swim, cut the grass, take a shower without wife listening for phone, etc. You need to know that the closest mall is 2 hours away, and Walmart is an hour. Well a new DON put a stop to it all! So as a Dept. we offered to take a $5000 a year pay cut EACH to be able to continue what we'd been doing. Well, the cut in pay was looked at in some ridiculous way as a PAY increase over our hourly rate (less than $20. hr I might add with 20 yrs as a nurse and a BSN!) They did not add in all the Call pay we earned during the year. (1.25 an hour.) Her other concern was ,"What will the other nurses think?" "It won't be fair to them!" That was the stupidest thing we ever heard! That is comparing apples to oranges! Other nurses in this town are OFF when they are not working. They are not called back in. They did not pull call. Well, within 3 months..... 3 out of 4 of us OR nurses quit, and we had over 50 yrs experience between us!!!! Do you think they asked us how they could keep us? NO! Was there an EXIT interview? No.

That was over 2 yrs ago. Do you think they have REPLACED us with nurses? No, they did replace one of us with an OR tech, but she too is gone. They have hired TRAVELERS and are continuing to do so!! Think of all the money they have spent......all because we asked for some "time" to go home early if we were not on call, and IF the work was done ,yet make enuf money to support our family and call this time "comp" time. .. and take advantage of the daylight hours, knowing the next night we had call and that weekend too. THAT IS WHEN I became independant!!!

I started a business for tax purposes, incorporated and am president of the company. I can advertise myself as indep. or as an agency depending on what the hospital wants to work with!! Some hospitals will not touch an indep. nurse, they want to go thru an agency. Others are tired of the high price of agencies and want to negotiate a lower price with an indep. contracted nurse, and in either case I bring in over $50 an hour and $8 hr for call. And this is LOW sompared to what agencies charge in other places. I have worked in WY., close to home, am home on weekends and the hospital gives me an apt. free!! ( Since our towns are so far apart, I have to travel. Other indep. nurses can continue to live at home, and contract with a hospital for a designated period of time.) I can depreciate my truck, I pay workman's comp, I have all the liability insur to protect me, I pay my own payroll taxes too, and I can deduct my medical and life insur. as a business expense. I follow all the State rules for a corp. in WY.

I plan to travel with my motor home in the next 2 years and finish seeing the US. Yes, it is hard not being in my home, but because I am treated so well and paid what I am worth, and pull less call, I really like it. My attitude is: "I am part of the solution, not the problem".

Indep. nurses are not employees of the hospital... and the IRS has guidelines for indep contractors. Think of yourself as a construction worker with your own business. You make up a contract that you will complete this job by the safety standards, codes, etc. and you will be on the job for X amount of time and for X amount of money. You are trained and do your work for the sake of the project being the best it can be. You state the terms you will work under, and they sign your contract (written by a lawyer).you submit an invoice weekly, monthly, and they pay you. You pay your own taxes and your benefits yourself. You pay your own training, drug screenings, etc. You are not an employee of that firm. That is the philosophy to take as an indep. contractor/ nurse.

I hope this helps clarify what we do. Please think outside of the box, and help nursing be what it should be. Be happy with your job, either stick together for better benefits and conditions, or branch out like we did. By the way, out of the 3 that left, 2 of us are doing this! My friend works 6 months of the yr, takes the rest of the yr off!

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