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No. 30
from needsmore$
Old Jul 04, 2008, 08:02 AM

Default Re: Question/Concern about pt and Dilaudid IVP
Originally Posted by Christy1019 View Post
ok well i really appreciate you guys helping me out, my primary preceptor had an unfortunate series of events including family deaths and such so for two weeks i had like 6 different preceptors and it was so hectic i hated it because i couldn't build up a rapport w/them you know? and to be perfectly honest i did not even remember that about the KCL being below the hand = no no, thats where i was leaning on my preceptor to help bridge the gaps in things i haven't necessarily given in a long time and since hes the one that got that first iv and hooked up the kcl to the pump, i didn't even think to question it. luckily since that particular situation a grew my own "pair" lol the kind u need to work in ER, so i have been taking on the rude pts head on, but in a nonconfrontational way, and i've had lots of success so far... so score 1 for me lol. i DID confront my preceptor and say "are u sre this dose is safe for the dilaudid it seems awfully high" and he had some long winded explanation that ended up sidetracked onto something completely different, and i just let HIM keep giving it after a while, i didn't want that responsibility anymore, i didn't like the dosing. so i guess the only complaint is, it sucks to be on the bottom of the food chain in the ER when u want to learn, but some people teach u the wrong things, and sometimes those people teaching them to you also happens to be the charge nurse! yikes, i dont think i'm ready to confront the charge AND the doc lol.. but i'm working on it! Thank u so much everyone for ur input and helping answer my questions!

Christy- it does suck to get so many different preceptors-- I am a strong advocate for having new nurses 'mirror' their preceptor's schedule--just so what happened to you (all that frustration and conflicting info) doesn't happen to others.

You did the best you could and now you know that just because other nurses are 'experienced' doesn't mean they practice good or safe nursing care. And it is very hard to be new and speak up when you question a seasoned nurse's 'expertise'.

And Dilaudid- some patients require alot but when you find that you're giving alot of repeated doses--don't be afraid to suggest other things like Fentanyl, etc. Good luck to you and don't ever worry about coming here to ask questions or vent. Many of the posters not only answer your question, but also add their in put so others who may have had similiar experiences can learn as well.

Take care!
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No. 31
from kmoonshine
Old Jul 04, 2008, 12:09 PM

Default Re: Question/Concern about pt and Dilaudid IVP
Originally Posted by Christy1019 View Post
yes, i believe we've established this... i've already said that i didn't start the iv or hang the kcl, i was merely observing my preceptor and then asked for opinions on here. and yes i agree that it WOULD have been a good idea for the MD to order that, or to get up off his butt and get a line himself, but i can't change what happened a month ago, i just wanted to know about the dose of dilaudid...
Sorry, I don't think anyone here was trying to fault you for the IV potassium, so please dont take it as such. Its good discussing things like this so we can all learn. And from my experience starting out in the ED as a new grad (with multiple preceptors ), sometimes you don't get to learn what you should be learning; and sometimes you're not with a preceptor that is up-to-date with current practice. The only reason why I brought up the IV potassium was to augment your practice to help you be the best that you can be.

Its good that you were questioning the dilaudid - not just the dose, but the fact that it wasn't helping. Sometimes we need to say to the doc "How about we try something else instead?"

I've found most ED docs to be really open to nurses, when compared to floor docs. We're a team in the ED and the docs rely on our eyes and ears just as much as we rely on them to care for our patients and get to the bottom of their complaint. Its our job to monitor the patients response to treatment, and if that response isn't beneficial then something different needs to be done. Sure, you'll meet lazy ED docs (one I knew in particular used to surf the web looking at new houses, and writing soft-porn emails to god knows who), and you'll meet stellar ED docs (those who listen to you and do everything they can for their patient). There was one doc in particular who was very intimidating to me and even made me cry once. But I listened to WHAT he said and ignored HOW he said it. As time passed, he saw my eagerness to learn and my persistent advocacy for my patients; we ended up working very well together. Since then, we've both left the facility where we worked together but we email each other and keep in touch.

I hope you found the answer to your question about dilaudid and I hope we helped you learn something extra too.
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No. 32
Old Aug 16, 2009, 06:34 PM

Default Re: Question/Concern about pt and Dilaudid IVP
I see that this thread occured a while back, but I have to ask....

I had surgery last week - sinus surgery. When I woke up, the nurse kept giving me dilaudid in my IV. It didn't work. I never take drugs. She gave me 4 doses. Nothing worked. I was in so much pain. Finally, she gave me an oral vicotin and it helped.

How could this be?
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No. 33
from Larry77
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:21 PM

Default Re: Question/Concern about pt and Dilaudid IVP
Originally Posted by patient opinion View Post
I see that this thread occured a while back, but I have to ask....

I had surgery last week - sinus surgery. When I woke up, the nurse kept giving me dilaudid in my IV. It didn't work. I never take drugs. She gave me 4 doses. Nothing worked. I was in so much pain. Finally, she gave me an oral vicotin and it helped.

How could this be?
Two thoughts...either she was diverting the meds to herself, or the Dilaudid just built up and finally hit you about the same time you took the PO meds...just my 2 cents :-)
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