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No. 10
from JBudd
Old Aug 09, 2009, 04:20 PM

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To the OP, you don't have to have the hospital's permission to call the police when you are being threatened with a knife!

Just call!
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No. 11
from LunahRN
Old Aug 10, 2009, 07:02 PM

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Our local PD know us well, and can and will arrive VERY quickly if there is an issue. Our security guards aren't exactly armed, and there are only a couple of them that could actually take a patient down if a situation went south.

Not long ago, we had a patient threaten our charge nurse and our doc when he didn't get narcs -- he said if he saw them on the street, he would eff them up. Our charge nurse called the PD and reported it, and they tracked the guy down and scared the crap out of him. Heh. I doubt that pt. could really hurt a fly (he's fairly aged and frail), but there's a point where you can't let things slide.
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No. 12
Old Aug 11, 2009, 10:32 PM

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We actually have the PD working at our place-real guns and everything-we are very fortunate!
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No. 13
from TaraER-RN
Old Aug 12, 2009, 11:57 AM

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We have the same situation as the original poster...our security isn't "allowed" to touch a patient...they are basically there as a visual cue, with no weapons of any sort on them. Most of them are smaller than me, and I hear they are the lowest paid position in the hospital! We, as the nurses, are the ones taking down patients...luckily I have a lot of guys on my shift so they help take care of that. But when we have had violence in our dept, all we can do is call the police...we pray nothing bad happens as we are not locked down (they say we can't be because we are the one of the main fire exits for the hospital), no metal detectors etc. How do those hospitals who have police, metal detectors etc get those things in place?
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No. 14
from Pat_Pat RN
Old Aug 12, 2009, 06:33 PM

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We don't have security. I'm the only male RN in the place. We do have a locked unit though. But like someone else said, all anyone has to do is say, "I need to see a doctor." and in they come. We've had people threaten the doctors, the nurses....one guy stood outside the glass backdoors with a shotgun...
One threatened to drive through the hospital...
Our local police are sometimes good about coming to the ER, depends on who is working.
We can't carry any weapons in the ER, I'd feel better if we could pack some heat, or at least a tazer.
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No. 15
Old Aug 14, 2009, 08:07 AM

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Thanks to everyone to replied so far. Just so I'm making myself very clear about the situation and not to make it seem like our local PD isn't helpful, they ARE. They always come when called and beleve me, I won't hesitate to make that call if any staff or other patients feel threatened. My concern is; even a 5 minute response time is too long when there may be a loaded weapon involved.

I've read some information about de-escalating tactics and have some ideas about beefing up what little security we have that won't cost too much (because we all now that's the bottom line) some as simple as re-arranging the furniture in the triage room so that the nurse is closest to the door. I have even asked for a limit to visitors (one per patient) and that all visitors must be verified with the charge nurse prior to admittance. I was truly surprised by the amount of nay-saying I got for that. Fellow charge nurses state "we get enough phone calls".

My opinion is, I'd rather take an extra hundred phone calls a night than risk having to make one trauma call for one of my nurses.

As everything, it's a work in progress.
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No. 16
from rickkijo
Old Aug 15, 2009, 06:38 PM

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We have had some FF Seekers that have threaten physical harm to the staff, and a few that have cause physical harm. Our hospital has filed a protection in the courts against these people and they are not allowed on the property and have been removed from the property several times by security or the LAPD. Makes me feel good that our hospital has our backs.
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