license to breed - page 4

ER nurses can understand the frustrations of dealing with children placed in harms way by the adults who are supposed to be the caregivers. This doesn't tell the whole story. I read the original more... Read More

  1. by   gkrn
    We have all heard of the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back--I can understand the anger. When you are holding a choking-non-breathing baby your adrenaline gets a burst, you have 2 major emotions that result from such a burst, scared to death or angry. We have little control over such a burst and some people function better in anger and are paralyzed by fear. I just glad that the chip was dislodged by the nurse.
    As far as SIDS, over my nursing career sleeping positions on infants has changed from stomach, to side, to back. When all babies were to be put on their stomachs, the rate of SIDS went up on babies laying on their stomach (could it be because more babies were sleeping on their stomaches?) Same thing for when they sleep on their side. I haven't worked in the hospital setting for 5 years now. Has it changed again?
    On infant seats, car seats, they are now designed to really cradle the baby well and if the baby's neck is strong enough for the baby to ride safely in the car without neck support, I don't see any problem with them sleeping in the car seat. When I worked in the 4 pound to 2 year nursery in a children's hospital we used to place our long term infants in an infant seat daily as part of their turn Q 2 hour and get up in chair equivalent without any problems.
  2. by   Halinja
    I agree with the response to adrenaline. Fight or flight. Anger would be a normal reaction.

    On the car seat issue...I'm sure it has to do with the angle of the seat. If you read what actually happened to the babies, their heads fell forward, compressing their airway. If the seat was angled just a teensy bit flatter, their heads wouldn't be ABLE to flop forward that far while still being semi upright. Grin. Semi-fowlers instead of high-fowlers.
  3. by   TrudyRN
    Quote from Daywalker
    You need a licence to drive, a licence to own a gun and have to go through an exhaustive home study, interviews, classes and background checks to adopt, but any idiot with the right plumbing can have a baby. I think our society needs to re-order its priorities.
    including the mentally ill
  4. by   JeanettePNP
    Quote from TrudyRN
    including the mentally ill
    Mentally ill is a broad term. Don't forget that many forms of mental illness are treatable/manageable these days. Are you implying that anyone with a psychiatric diagnosis shouldn't be allowed to be a parent?
  5. by   UKRNinUSA
    Quote from bopps
    Okay guys, I realize anger was not a politically correct response. I wasn't angry at the mother. I was angry at the situation and at the fact that a kid could have easily died over stupidity. Isn't this what this whole thread is about? And my anger was fueled by compassion. Compassion for the child, and for the ignorant mother. Social workers had been previously notified and I am sure they had made follow up visits etc, but apparently they were not successful in educating this mother either. This is another case of "needing a license to breed." I was not angry at the mother personally. I was angry because a poor innocent child could have died and there wasn't a single thing I could do to fix the situation. I and others had all ready given PLENTY of nutritional advice. I'm sorry I said I was angry but when a beautiful child (albeit with crappy genes) has to suffer and maybe potentially die over an adults stupidity, I sometimes get emotional. I am sorry I am a human being.
    Anger is a completely valid response. Do not apologize for being angry. I do not understand why anyone else could not understand why you would be angry. Hey, even Jesus got angry. IMO not enough people are angry.
    BTW -how did you manage to restrain yourself from backhanding this idiot. Personally I would have needed to call security on myself to put me in 4 point leather restraints. But then I get angry. Human first, nurse second.
  6. by   UKRNinUSA
    Quote from medsurgnurse
    If they couldn't afford a crib, how could they afford a pit bull puppy.
    I would just like to say one more thing.

    KEEP PIT BULLS AWAY FROM KIDS BECAUSE PIT BULLS KILL KIDS, NOT ALL KIDS, NOT ALL PIT BULLS, BUT ENOUGH. WHY TAKE THE RISK?
  7. by   squeakykitty
    Quote from gonzo1
    when my son was about one year old i read a story in my local paper. the woman was sueing our local police dept for killing her dog after they were called to her house because her dog had killed their baby. she was upset because she said she could have another baby, but nobody would ever be able to replace her "doggy", he was special.
    my son is 24 now and i have never forgotten that story. by the way the judge dropped the lawsuit against the police. hopefullly this woman didn't "pop" out any more babies. now days the woman would be prosecuted for child endangerment along with the dog being shot, but back then these things were still considered "unfortunate accidents", thank god times have changed.

    it's sickening how low some people put their kids on their list of priorities. i hope she didn't have any more kids (or even dogs). :trout: i can't believe she thought her dog was more special than her baby.:angryfire it's also sickening when they let someone abuse their kids. i read a story a few years ago about this mother cat who saved her five kittens from a fire, even though she got badly burned herself. you can find the story on this link. scarlett the cat - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia this cat is a much better mother than some people are.
  8. by   wincha
    Quote from TrudyRN
    including the mentally ill
    Uncalled for. Do you realize that insurance companies will do anything NOT to treat the mentally ill or provide coverage? How can the mentally ill get treated when they are limited to so many visits to their doc or therapy even up to 10 to 20 per year? The meds are very expensive and there are not generics to take care of all symptons. Many conditions are treatable but it is a fight to get good care.
  9. by   wincha
    Quote from adnstudent2007
    Ok, I'm sorry this is off topic but would someone please explain to me why a baby sleeping in a car seat at night is dangerous ? (I am not talking about a situation with the animals which was gross negligence on the part of the parents). Honestly, I have never before heard anyone say anything before negative about it (and I knew other parents who did it) and the pediatrician never said anything against it. I also remember thinking if I put her in her crib (on a different floor in my house) in the carseat, it would seam so much more dangerous in terms of being trapped in the rare case of something bad happening. On the floor she was just inches away from the ground (as opposed to between a car seat and crib bars and mattress). Plus just feet away from me to feed her a couple times a night. To me, it just seems safer. She is older now, but I would never want to do anything that would endanger my child. Other than this insident with the animals, has anyone heard of something bad happening to a baby from sleeping in a car seat? (Please forgive me for hijacking this thread!)
    I know what you are talking about. Car seat, pumpkin seat I have heard moms having to do this to keep a baby close by at night with a bad cold or reflux. I don't see a difference in a crib in a seat or on the floor when restrained properly. The crib might not be in your room. However if you have animals the child should always be protected. I see later a post about SIDS and carseats. I never did see that one study. Worked as a peds nurse for over 15 years taking call for peds. Is that study very new, I changed jobs over a year ago.
  10. by   wincha
    Quote from Halinja
    There seems to be some correlation between sleeping in a car seat and SIDS..


    ABC News: Don't Let Sleeping Babies Lie -- in Car Seats
    Half of the infants were children of smokers-and secondhand smoke is known to weaken a baby's drive to breathe. All of these factors help explain why a car seat is so potentially dangerous.

    The article had a study of less than 40 infants and it had to do with the positioning of the baby so the head did not flop forward and obstruct the windpipe.

    You also have to take into consideration of a baby with a very bad cold or reflux that needs to be upright and can not lie on their back due to choking which also is a risk. I have had to hold a baby all night upright when very sick, so having a baby sleep in their pumpkin seat next to me(on the floor) properly restrained is not unreasonable in this situation. I would always check with your pediatrician for your situation.
  11. by   medsurgnurse
    Quote from bopps
    Okay guys, I realize anger was not a politically correct response. I wasn't angry at the mother. I was angry at the situation and at the fact that a kid could have easily died over stupidity. Isn't this what this whole thread is about? And my anger was fueled by compassion. Compassion for the child, and for the ignorant mother. Social workers had been previously notified and I am sure they had made follow up visits etc, but apparently they were not successful in educating this mother either. This is another case of "needing a license to breed." I was not angry at the mother personally. I was angry because a poor innocent child could have died and there wasn't a single thing I could do to fix the situation. I and others had all ready given PLENTY of nutritional advice. I'm sorry I said I was angry but when a beautiful child (albeit with crappy genes) has to suffer and maybe potentially die over an adults stupidity, I sometimes get emotional. I am sorry I am a human being.
    If you had not saved the babies life, she could have sued the hospital because after all the baby choked IN THE HOSPITAL. I understand your anger. The first time its frustration. After the mother fed corn chips to a two month old a second time almost killing her baby, I understand your anger. You just know, one day she going to suceed in seriously injuring or killing this child through negligence.
  12. by   medsurgnurse
    Quote from santhony44
    My younger son had severe reflux and for a while slept in his car seat in the crib on the pediatrician's advice. He'll be 17 next month and is healthy; we hadn't heard about sleeping positions correlating with SIDS at the time.

    I also don't understand how any animal could get more than one toe if the baby was right beside the parents and they were sleeping. I think that either they weren't there or else they were passed out on alcohol or drugs.

    I took care of a baby once who had been bitten by rats (not mice, rats) which were not family pets. The baby's twin was bitten less severely- the one I took care of required transfusion. Mom claimed she was asleep in the same room. I don't think anybody believed her, those babies had to have been screaming bloody murder. It was, without a doubt, one of the grossest things I've ever seen in nursing.
    Exactly. The parents are arguing over which animal did the deed. More importantly, how did they sleep through their babies screams. if they didn't wake for the baby's screams while her toes were being chewed off, I doubt the wake for two hours feedings and wet diapers. Also, simple math will tell you that the got the puppy (because the article said puppy) knowing they would have a newborn in the house. Its not like it was a cherished family pet they couldn't bear to part with. They got the puppy shortly before or after the baby's birth.
  13. by   JeanettePNP
    I really hope the judge doesn't return the child to their custody, but you really can't count on anything....

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