license to breed - page 3

ER nurses can understand the frustrations of dealing with children placed in harms way by the adults who are supposed to be the caregivers. This doesn't tell the whole story. I read the original more... Read More

  1. by   tvccrn
    Quote from adnstudent2007
    When my daughter was an infant, she slept in a car seat on my floor at night for a few months (we did NOT have any animals running around our house at the time). We had a crib, but she (and her parents!) slept better this way and I have never hear of an argument against it. I tried once to put it in the crib but was to scared that if something were to happen she could get trapped between the car seat and the bars of the crib. If babies can travel in a car safely for hours at a time, why not sleep in them at night?

    I would put the baby, in the car seat, IN the crib, but not on the floor. Not unless I was awake and watching. I guess, I'm different from other people. I feel that the car seat is for the car and the crib/bassinet is for sleeping.

    tvccrn
    Last edit by tvccrn on Dec 27, '06
  2. by   rn/writer
    Quote from tvccrn
    I would put the baby, in the car seat, IN the crib, but not on the floor. Not unless I was awake and watching. I guess, I'm different from other people. I feel that the car seat is for the car and the crib/bassinet is for sleeping.
    tvccrn
    As parents, you do what works. We had a terminally ill foster baby (trisomy 13) who because of a severe cleft lip and palate and a tendency to regurg, needed to be kept somewhat upright. This was in the early days of infant car seats and we found one that did keep her in the correct position. She also had difficulty maintaining her temp so we sat the carseat on a heating pad set on low.

    I'm sure there are those that would be aghast at the arrangement today, but it worked for our baby and it worked for us.

    The biggest factor is that we had her best interests at heart and we kept trying different things till we found success.

    Other babies may do well in a car seat during those early months. That semi-fetal curling is a lot closer to what they were used to in utero than lying flat on a mattress.

    Again, parents who are looking for solutions and really are thinking about a position of comfort for their babies should not be compared with those who really don't have a clue.

    One hopes that the child in this horrendous story will have someone checking her status for a long time to come.
  3. by   JeanettePNP
    You know, this week I saw posters all over the New York City subway system with child safety messages. Like, put window guards on your windows, don't sleep with your baby in bed, keep medications out of reach, etc. Wonder if these ads will do any good.
  4. by   weirdRN
    There will be people who pay attention to those ads and people who do not. It would be interesting to see who did and didn't.
  5. by   JeanettePNP
    We'll have to ask the NYC nurses if there has been any dropoff in pediatric injuries since the ad campaign was run.
  6. by   wincha
    Quote from tvccrn
    I would put the baby, in the car seat, IN the crib, but not on the floor. Not unless I was awake and watching.

    tvccrn
    But not if the crib was in the babies room and you wanted to keep a better eye on the baby in your room and the baby is sleeping in your room so you can keep a better eye on it. Quite honestly, I barely sleep when my kids are sick. Have I ever had a baby sleep in a carseat at night, most likely NO. But I know parents who have had no choice and yes they are in the crib. But I could see this situation if the baby had a bad cold or reflux and the mom wanted the baby closer at night and had no crib in her room. There shouldn't be animals like this in a house with a baby. Plus the baby should be protected at all times so in this situation that would mean in a crib.
  7. by   adnstudent2007
    Ok, I'm sorry this is off topic but would someone please explain to me why a baby sleeping in a car seat at night is dangerous ? (I am not talking about a situation with the animals which was gross negligence on the part of the parents). Honestly, I have never before heard anyone say anything before negative about it (and I knew other parents who did it) and the pediatrician never said anything against it. I also remember thinking if I put her in her crib (on a different floor in my house) in the carseat, it would seam so much more dangerous in terms of being trapped in the rare case of something bad happening. On the floor she was just inches away from the ground (as opposed to between a car seat and crib bars and mattress). Plus just feet away from me to feed her a couple times a night. To me, it just seems safer. She is older now, but I would never want to do anything that would endanger my child. Other than this insident with the animals, has anyone heard of something bad happening to a baby from sleeping in a car seat? (Please forgive me for hijacking this thread!)
  8. by   Halinja
    Quote from adnstudent2007
    Other than this insident with the animals, has anyone heard of something bad happening to a baby from sleeping in a car seat? (Please forgive me for hijacking this thread!)
    There seems to be some correlation between sleeping in a car seat and SIDS...


    ABC News: Don't Let Sleeping Babies Lie -- in Car Seats
  9. by   Daywalker
    You need a licence to drive, a licence to own a gun and have to go through an exhaustive home study, interviews, classes and background checks to adopt, but any idiot with the right plumbing can have a baby. I think our society needs to re-order its priorities.
  10. by   Daywalker
    Quote from wincha
    But not if the crib was in the babies room and you wanted to keep a better eye on the baby in your room and the baby is sleeping in your room so you can keep a better eye on it. Quite honestly, I barely sleep when my kids are sick. Have I ever had a baby sleep in a carseat at night, most likely NO. But I know parents who have had no choice and yes they are in the crib. But I could see this situation if the baby had a bad cold or reflux and the mom wanted the baby closer at night and had no crib in her room. There shouldn't be animals like this in a house with a baby. Plus the baby should be protected at all times so in this situation that would mean in a crib.
    How come people with pets don't keep them out of the bedroom? Especially if there's a child in there? Honestly, the animals will survive if they are in another part of the home.
  11. by   LPN0608
    We have a cat. 16 lbs of fur (constantly falling off) and claws. I was advised to get rid of her when I got preg. Couldn't do it, she's family. Baby is now almost a yr and we've never had a problem. Of course, cat has never missed a meal. Every now and then the cat gets brave enough to get close and loses a small fist of hair. And yes baby has slept in her carseat, bouncer, crib, in her swing, playpen, on a blanket on the floor and well even in her baby bathtub(empty). As long as baby is safe it doesn't matter where they nap. But I don't understand how a mother could leave her child around untrained animals. And how the heck did they listen to their baby cry through the first few toes. I'm sure neither one of those animals could get all four in one bite. I wonder, with the other poster said also, if the animals were poorly cared for?
  12. by   bopps
    Okay guys, I realize anger was not a politically correct response. I wasn't angry at the mother. I was angry at the situation and at the fact that a kid could have easily died over stupidity. Isn't this what this whole thread is about? And my anger was fueled by compassion. Compassion for the child, and for the ignorant mother. Social workers had been previously notified and I am sure they had made follow up visits etc, but apparently they were not successful in educating this mother either. This is another case of "needing a license to breed." I was not angry at the mother personally. I was angry because a poor innocent child could have died and there wasn't a single thing I could do to fix the situation. I and others had all ready given PLENTY of nutritional advice. I'm sorry I said I was angry but when a beautiful child (albeit with crappy genes) has to suffer and maybe potentially die over an adults stupidity, I sometimes get emotional. I am sorry I am a human being.
  13. by   santhony44
    My younger son had severe reflux and for a while slept in his car seat in the crib on the pediatrician's advice. He'll be 17 next month and is healthy; we hadn't heard about sleeping positions correlating with SIDS at the time.

    I also don't understand how any animal could get more than one toe if the baby was right beside the parents and they were sleeping. I think that either they weren't there or else they were passed out on alcohol or drugs.

    I took care of a baby once who had been bitten by rats (not mice, rats) which were not family pets. The baby's twin was bitten less severely- the one I took care of required transfusion. Mom claimed she was asleep in the same room. I don't think anybody believed her, those babies had to have been screaming bloody murder. It was, without a doubt, one of the grossest things I've ever seen in nursing.

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