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No. 20
Old Nov 09, 2009, 08:58 PM

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I know of one doc that won't order CYA CT scans for children and he explains why to the parents.
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No. 21
from Deb123j
Old Nov 10, 2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBSN View Post
Well, I think number one is clearly the correct answer, although I think some docs might opt for number 2. Head CTs cause 3000 X the amount of radiation as an x-ray and have been shown to greatly increase cancer in children. The kid had a very unimpressive story. However, this was an actual case I had. I was working with a great pediatric ED doctor who was also a peds intensivist. The kid showed up with the above story. After some observation the doc was literally walking over to get discharge instructions when the kid vomited on the floor. So he said, "Okay we should probably do the CT now." Can you believe this kid had a skull fracture and a bleed! I could not believe it, like another nurse said, I probably would not have even taken my kid to the ED for this (until he vomited). The bleed was small, but still, I've never seen one with such an unimpressive story and clinical findings.
I work on a traum unit - we get the pts from ER that don't go to ICU. I do work with adults, however this is how we would probably treat the boy.
*inpt for observation
*CT of head - just because things look normal, don't mean that they are
*x-rays
*neur checks: q1h x4, q2h x4, then q4h
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No. 22
from WntMorCNA
Old Nov 10, 2009, 01:27 AM

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#1 b/c the pt does not have any symptoms
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No. 23
from MassED
Old Nov 10, 2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBSN View Post
What do you think is the proper course of action for the following scenario:

A 7 year old was on the bike with his brother and they both fell off. His older brother had abrasions to both legs. The 7 year old had an abrasion to the the hand and occipital area of the head. There was no bleeding and no hematoma. The kid ambulated into the ED. He was awake, alert and acting appropriately as per the father. There was no loss of consciousness. No nausea, no vomiting, his gait was steady and his pupils were PERRLA. What do you think the treatment should be?

1) Neuro exam, observation and discharge

2) Neuro exam and head x-ray

3) Neuro exam, IV and Head CT

4) Trauma Code
without reading others' responses before posting, #1 is how we do it where I work.
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No. 24
from MassED
Old Nov 10, 2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PAERRN20 View Post
I'd say #3. We would do Xrays if the kid was c/o pain in the legs or arms. Probably do a CT of the head just to cover our a$$es. Maybe a line depending on the doc. It is all about covering the behind. If this were my kid I probably wouldn't have even presented to the ED.
Pediatricians in the ER are much more conservative for ordering CT's on children, as opposed to adults w/ the same complaint. We'll see in 20 or so years the outcome of so much radiation we blast our ER patients with.....
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No. 25
from hherrn
Old Nov 11, 2009, 01:10 AM

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It depends on who's kid it is. If, for example, a friend of the doc brought his kid in, it would most likely be what is in the best interest of the kid, option 1. If not, it depends on the doc. some will do the right thing, some won't. Nobody is getting sued over an adverse outcome from a ct.

My brother in law is a radiologist. If somebody scanned one of his kids for this, I can only imagine the hell he would raise.

I just nearly did conscious sedation on a 2 year old who's parent's reported a fully resolved short incident of ataxia and acting differently. The fact that the kid pulled his IV while he was climbing the beds and pulling stuff out of the cabinets slowed the process enough for the mother to finally refuse. In the mean time, the doc did a peds consult who reccomend against the scan, bases on risk/benefit.
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No. 26
Old Nov 14, 2009, 08:40 AM

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Seasoned ER doctor: Option 1.
New ER doctor: CYA protocol.
It's amazing how much money and resources are wasted just to avoid that one in a million missed diagnosis. I've seen people have the super deluxe work-up only to request a specific amount of days off of work once they get the negative results.
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No. 27
from nuangel1
Old Nov 15, 2009, 12:22 PM

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depends on the dr in my ed .i have seen number 1 .i have also seen number 2 neuro exam observe and ct .no iv unless its needed.
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No. 28
from rbyrdrn
Old Nov 16, 2009, 11:18 PM

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Ok, trying not to read too much into the question....and going c the information available....my answer is 1. Of course I would like to change my answer if s/s change.
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No. 29
from honey2000
Old Nov 17, 2009, 12:00 AM

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I don't think there has to be LOC to diagnose a concussion. I've taken care of plenty of people who weren't KO'd that were obviously suffering from a concussion. I pick option 1. How he is currently acting and looking is an indicator. Neuro exam, Observation, strict head injury instrucions and information about what to look for to his parents, must be woken up every 2 hrs during the night. Some might do a head CT, but he presents as alert, oriented and walking/talking. Not repeating himself,
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