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No. 10
from Altra
Old Jul 02, 2004, 09:39 PM

Thanks for sharing tips in this thread!
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No. 11
from Audreyfay
Old Jul 03, 2004, 02:01 AM

women have the "rule of thumb". theres almost always a vein that comes off of the thumb where the forearm begins. look around, youll see im right.
That vein is called the dummy vein. Any dummy can hit it.
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No. 12
from thanatos
Old Jul 04, 2004, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by rn4booboo
Nurses eat their young is ad nauseam- seems like you have it down pat though?
Easy there. All I am saying is there this has been discussed numerous times. Every few months someone posts requesting tips on IV starts, and I was just pointing the OP toward a gold mine of information. I have posted on some of those previous threads and was attempting to not repeat myself or have others do the same.
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No. 13
from veetach
Old Jul 04, 2004, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by TraumaInTheSlot



any patient, and i mean any patient who has even the slightest chance of being a surgical patient, be it an AP or abd pain or trauma, should have a large bore iv 18g or less. the anesthesiologist will put a second larger line in if you dont.

anyone receiving anticoagulant clot busting therapy like TPA or equivalent should have three lines, one 18 or 16 gauge for blood draws before the med is given. pop away.

even if you dont know what you are doing, try and make it seem like you do. be professional, dont let your hands shake, and read your patient. their eyes can tell you alot.

TIE THE TOURNIQUETTE TIGHT. DONT FORGET TO TAKE IT OFF!

good luck if i think of more, ill post it later.

I beg to differ about the sizes of cannulas listed above. It used to be a trend years ago to throw the biggest IV into the patient that they can handle. Not so anymore. Chances of phlebitis increases with increased sizes of IV cannulas.

I cannot imagine putting 16ga IV's into a patient in an emergency room. If this patient is a victim of multiple trauma or multiple GSW or stab wounds maybe. Usually those come in with larger bore IV's anyway.

Our hospital has now become very adamant about not starting large bore IV's. Even our pre op patients go in with a #20 in. I can give any med (including blood) through a #22 if I need to, and believe it or not. A #22 is the recommended size to prevent phlebitis. We use #20's for CTA of chest and cardiac caths, and sometimes you cant even get a #20 in them. Go with whatever you can get.
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No. 14
Old Jul 04, 2004, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by veetach
I beg to differ about the sizes of cannulas listed above. It used to be a trend years ago to throw the biggest IV into the patient that they can handle. Not so anymore. Chances of phlebitis increases with increased sizes of IV cannulas.

I cannot imagine putting 16ga IV's into a patient in an emergency room. If this patient is a victim of multiple trauma or multiple GSW or stab wounds maybe. Usually those come in with larger bore IV's anyway.

Our hospital has now become very adamant about not starting large bore IV's. Even our pre op patients go in with a #20 in. I can give any med (including blood) through a #22 if I need to, and believe it or not. A #22 is the recommended size to prevent phlebitis. We use #20's for CTA of chest and cardiac caths, and sometimes you cant even get a #20 in them. Go with whatever you can get.
what if your patient drops their pressure? can u fluid resuscitate through a 22g? itll take at least an hour or two to get the liter of ns in.

if you draw blood through a 22g, it will hemolyze frequently.

i know, id rather have the large bore in me, until they had a diagnosis on whats wrong with me. always prepare for the worse when there is a vague complaint like cp or abd pain that can be one of a million things.

blood through a 22g? are you kidding? ive seen it done, but always after lying that the transfusion takes 4 hours when it actually took 5.

i respectfully disagree. ivs get phlebitic because they are in bad spots and the catheter moves in and out. id rather have a phlebitic patient than a dead one. 18g is not that big
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No. 15
from Fergie
Old Jul 04, 2004, 11:11 PM

Question iv needle size
I am shocked that the thoughts have changed on IV needle sizes.

Old school maybe, I would never even consider giving blood with any thing but an 18 gauge or larger.

I would like to see more studies on this. I always go for a 18 gauge, don't even consider a 20 or a 22.

Maybe it depends on the acuity of the pt? Or as previously stated the policy of the hopital?
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No. 16
Old Jul 04, 2004, 11:27 PM

For those older patients with the "rope" veins, I often find they blow when you use a tourniquet. We've taken to using a BP cuff slightly inflated (60-80) on these patients and haven't had a problem since. It's an excellent technique taught to us by one of our paramedics.

also works well on infants/toddlers too.
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No. 17
Old Jul 04, 2004, 11:49 PM

I may be an experienced nurse, but I am always thrilled to learn new things. You guys are so smart, and I am by NO means a venipuncture expert. I learned a couple things today....
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No. 18
from presC.
Old Jul 05, 2004, 01:03 AM

hi traumaintheslot,
good advice! but i always experienced bulging of veins whenever i remove the needle on the cannula. whether g18 or 22? eventhough there's a backflow.
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No. 19
from thanatos
Old Jul 05, 2004, 02:04 AM

Using a b/p cuff for your tourniquet is an excellent technique w/ veins that blow and also when you don't see anything. I've had veins pop up w/ the b/p cuff that didn't w/ the standard tourniquet. I'll take their b/p manually and then keep the cuff inflated a few points higher than their diastolic. Works like a charm...just make sure to check the pressure frequently, most of our cuffs have slow leaks. Although I don't use it myself, I've seen people use 2 tourniquets w/ good success.
Also, don't forget the basics: on hard sticks, wrap their arms in warm blankets, and have the patient hang their arm off the side of the bed. Make sure you take your time (if possible) when looking for a vein and don't forget the basilic vein hidden on the back of the forearm. In a pinch, don't forget knuckle veins and the inner wrist (my least favorite).
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