ER RN salary - page 6

Do any of you mind sharing how much your base pay per hour is? I just got a new job, and I feel that my rate is less than I should be making in Pennsylvania. I mentioned my two years experience to... Read More

  1. by   mwboswell
    One thing everyone needs to remember is that it's NOT about the $$$/hour. You have to look at the WHOLE "compensation" picture. Salary.com gives you a ballpark idea, but you still need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

    I'll give you an example using myself....

    Some of my "benefits" which count as part of my annual compensation are:
    1) Continuing education $$$ - $1,800 annually (used to reimburse travel, hotel, etc)
    2) Paid time off: I accrue 9 hours per payperiod (26 payperiods/year) = 234 hours of vacation a year
    3) 32 hours of continuing education - paid at normal "base" hourly rate (this is NOT the same as #1 above)
    4) 24 hours of MANDATORY education time (annual stroke certification, ACLS, BLS etc)
    5) Weekend differential = $8/hour
    6) Nite differential = $3/hour
    7) Annual hospital wide bonus ranging from .5%-1% of annual salary

    So, lets assume I make $25/hour, taking the above numbers as follows:
    1) 1,800
    2) 234 x 25 = $5850
    3) $800
    4) $600
    5) Working everyother weekend = 26 weekends of 24 hours x 8 = $4992
    6) Working nights (we work 72 hours every 2 weeks) = 72*26*$3= $5616
    7) 72 hours x 26 weeks = 1,872 hours annually, x$25/hour = $46,800 * .005 = $234

    Sooooo,
    My "base" annual salary is $46,800
    My "other" income is: $1800+$5850+$800+$600+$4992+$5616+$234=$19,892
    Combined annual "pay" then is: $66,692
    Which, divided by total hours worked per year (1,872) is $35.62/hour
    ...so while it may only be listed on paper as $25/hour job, the actual of salary and monetary compensation makes it a $35.62/hour job.

    Of course this DOES not even take into account the following:
    1) my employer pays 2/3 of my health insurance premium (approx $300 pay period)
    2) my employer pays basic life insurance for me and the spouse (approx $30/pay period)
    3) my employer pays 75% of my dental/vision insurance (approx $30/pay period)
    ...and a few others...
    Just these three above adds another $5.00/hour
    (300x26)+(30*26)+(30*26) = $9360/1872 hours/year.

    And this doesn't even count what the employer pays into my pension or 401/403 funds (albeit very small) it's about another $3-$5/hour.

    So what starts as a $25/hour wage, now is up to nearly $40-$45/hour!!!!

    Also on my job, we self schedule and I can plan my own schedule (within reason) as far out as 6-8 months. This alone for me (with all my "other" jobs) is PRICELESS to me as it allows me to be able to plan my life out and even schedule time off WITHOUT using my vacation days (I currently have over 900 vacation hours saved up)

    So, make sure you are getting the full picture, ask human resources to get you a "full annual compensation" breakdown and make sure you compare "apples to apples" !

    Hope this helps.
  2. by   Esme12
    Quote from mwboswell
    One thing everyone needs to remember is that it's NOT about the $$$/hour. You have to look at the WHOLE "compensation" picture. Salary.com gives you a ballpark idea, but you still need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

    I'll give you an example using myself....

    Some of my "benefits" which count as part of my annual compensation are:
    1) Continuing education $$$ - $1,800 annually (used to reimburse travel, hotel, etc)
    2) Paid time off: I accrue 9 hours per payperiod (26 payperiods/year) = 234 hours of vacation a year
    3) 32 hours of continuing education - paid at normal "base" hourly rate (this is NOT the same as #1 above)
    4) 24 hours of MANDATORY education time (annual stroke certification, ACLS, BLS etc)
    5) Weekend differential = $8/hour
    6) Nite differential = $3/hour
    7) Annual hospital wide bonus ranging from .5%-1% of annual salary

    So, lets assume I make $25/hour, taking the above numbers as follows:
    1) 1,800
    2) 234 x 25 = $5850
    3) $800
    4) $600
    5) Working everyother weekend = 26 weekends of 24 hours x 8 = $4992
    6) Working nights (we work 72 hours every 2 weeks) = 72*26*$3= $5616
    7) 72 hours x 26 weeks = 1,872 hours annually, x$25/hour = $46,800 * .005 = $234

    Sooooo,
    My "base" annual salary is $46,800
    My "other" income is: $1800+$5850+$800+$600+$4992+$5616+$234=$19,892
    Combined annual "pay" then is: $66,692
    Which, divided by total hours worked per year (1,872) is $35.62/hour
    ...so while it may only be listed on paper as $25/hour job, the actual of salary and monetary compensation makes it a $35.62/hour job.

    Of course this DOES not even take into account the following:
    1) my employer pays 2/3 of my health insurance premium (approx $300 pay period)
    2) my employer pays basic life insurance for me and the spouse (approx $30/pay period)
    3) my employer pays 75% of my dental/vision insurance (approx $30/pay period)
    ...and a few others...
    Just these three above adds another $5.00/hour
    (300x26)+(30*26)+(30*26) = $9360/1872 hours/year.

    And this doesn't even count what the employer pays into my pension or 401/403 funds (albeit very small) it's about another $3-$5/hour.

    So what starts as a $25/hour wage, now is up to nearly $40-$45/hour!!!!

    Also on my job, we self schedule and I can plan my own schedule (within reason) as far out as 6-8 months. This alone for me (with all my "other" jobs) is PRICELESS to me as it allows me to be able to plan my life out and even schedule time off WITHOUT using my vacation days (I currently have over 900 vacation hours saved up)

    So, make sure you are getting the full picture, ask human resources to get you a "full annual compensation" breakdown and make sure you compare "apples to apples" !

    Hope this helps.
    SWEET!!!!!!!!!!! Can I work where you work? Nice bene package......are you union? YOU're hospital still gives bonuses? A month of vacation? Wow......you are very lucky...
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 4, '11
  3. by   mrsjbrent06
    Quote from Redneck_hippie
    Get a union! $33.07 not including nite diff. County hospital. No state tax, no social security, we're in PERS. Sorry I've been doing this for 20+ years, tho. Hang in there Florida. Contact SEIU or Teamsters. Oh I forgot to mention 293 hours of vacation per year...that's about eight weeks per year if you work 12 hour shifts...and who doesn't. One more thing, longevity bonus = .0057 X base pay for 1 year X #of years at UMC = $8234.88 (for 21 years).

    Love ya sisters and brothers.
    Please bargain together aka collective bargaining.

    Where are you located?? I'm in Central PA..does anyone know if we have any union hospitals?
  4. by   whichone'spink
    Quote from mwboswell
    One thing everyone needs to remember is that it's NOT about the $$$/hour. You have to look at the WHOLE "compensation" picture. Salary.com gives you a ballpark idea, but you still need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

    I'll give you an example using myself....

    Some of my "benefits" which count as part of my annual compensation are:
    1) Continuing education $$$ - $1,800 annually (used to reimburse travel, hotel, etc)
    2) Paid time off: I accrue 9 hours per payperiod (26 payperiods/year) = 234 hours of vacation a year
    3) 32 hours of continuing education - paid at normal "base" hourly rate (this is NOT the same as #1 above)
    4) 24 hours of MANDATORY education time (annual stroke certification, ACLS, BLS etc)
    5) Weekend differential = $8/hour
    6) Nite differential = $3/hour
    7) Annual hospital wide bonus ranging from .5%-1% of annual salary

    So, lets assume I make $25/hour, taking the above numbers as follows:
    1) 1,800
    2) 234 x 25 = $5850
    3) $800
    4) $600
    5) Working everyother weekend = 26 weekends of 24 hours x 8 = $4992
    6) Working nights (we work 72 hours every 2 weeks) = 72*26*$3= $5616
    7) 72 hours x 26 weeks = 1,872 hours annually, x$25/hour = $46,800 * .005 = $234

    Sooooo,
    My "base" annual salary is $46,800
    My "other" income is: $1800+$5850+$800+$600+$4992+$5616+$234=$19,892
    Combined annual "pay" then is: $66,692
    Which, divided by total hours worked per year (1,872) is $35.62/hour
    ...so while it may only be listed on paper as $25/hour job, the actual of salary and monetary compensation makes it a $35.62/hour job.

    Of course this DOES not even take into account the following:
    1) my employer pays 2/3 of my health insurance premium (approx $300 pay period)
    2) my employer pays basic life insurance for me and the spouse (approx $30/pay period)
    3) my employer pays 75% of my dental/vision insurance (approx $30/pay period)
    ...and a few others...
    Just these three above adds another $5.00/hour
    (300x26)+(30*26)+(30*26) = $9360/1872 hours/year.

    And this doesn't even count what the employer pays into my pension or 401/403 funds (albeit very small) it's about another $3-$5/hour.

    So what starts as a $25/hour wage, now is up to nearly $40-$45/hour!!!!

    Also on my job, we self schedule and I can plan my own schedule (within reason) as far out as 6-8 months. This alone for me (with all my "other" jobs) is PRICELESS to me as it allows me to be able to plan my life out and even schedule time off WITHOUT using my vacation days (I currently have over 900 vacation hours saved up)

    So, make sure you are getting the full picture, ask human resources to get you a "full annual compensation" breakdown and make sure you compare "apples to apples" !

    Hope this helps.
    Where do you work?
  5. by   waterlily777
    Just so you guys know:

    San Francisco Bay Area
    City of Hayward
    BASIC 2 bedroom apt. = $1350/mo.

    Craaaaaaaazy.
  6. by   studentinnursing
    Quote from Esme12
    SWEET!!!!!!!!!!! Can I work where you work? Nice bene package......are you union? YOU're hospital still gives bonuses? A month od vacation? Wow......you are very lucky...

    Wow, my benefits are same as those listed, almost exact, and I am not/RNs where I work are not union. Matter of fact, I'm only halfway through nursing school and am PCT in the ER right now, and I get those benefits so cut in pay worth it. It's great how much we get FREE as well, when we use the hospital and their doctors for our health care/insurance; I mean it's FREE; no co-pays, $5 prescriptions....insane benefits. I was making more money at home per hour but had no benefits, have 2 children, and was getting no experience; I am very glad I took the PCT position, and it is where I want to work, am at a trauma hospital and in the ER! My dream job, once I finish my RN. And working on my BSN as soon as I'm done, just finished all the prereq's for that this summer; didn't even dawn on me that just the degree would get me more pay, thought the position a BSN might get me would get me the pay; I hope I get a little extra per hour just for having a BSN?! Too cool. AND LOVE MY JOB, just doesn't get better than this

    Can anyone tell me what ER/trauma RNs make approximately in Florida? I know we don't get much here, but I love it and want my children to grow up here as well. I am interested in Flight Nurse too, one day If anybody can give approximated for either in Florida it'd be much appreciated; silly for me to ask, not like I'm not gonna be a nurse because of the pay, but I am curious.
    Last edit by studentinnursing on Aug 3, '11
  7. by   mmutk
    TN cost of living is low, so in general the pay is too. However VANDERBILT is the lowest of the Nashville region.

    I was board certified(CEN) with 4 years experience and offered $20/hr at PRN. New grads were full time was $18.50/hr. This was last year.

    Apparently thier ranking and other benefits and massive applicants allow them to pay dirt and get away with it, because people want experience and the name on their references.

    I now work at another health system in the city and make $26/hr base, still not great, but welcome to the south!
  8. by   mwboswell
    People still aren't getting it... you can't just say how much you make per hour, because that doesn't tell the whole story....

    50$ an hour base, but with no education money, no annual bonus, a high med insurance co-payment, no pension, state income tax, high property taxes, high sales taxes etc etc etc - isn't worth much over $20-$25 an hour.....

    20$ an hour base with education money, annual bonus (not your annual raise), low/zero med insurance copays, a retirement plan (not 401/403), low property tax, low sales tax etc etc etc - "could" be worth nearly 50$ an hour

    Again, you have to compare apples to apples.
  9. by   studentinnursing
    Quote from mwboswell
    People still aren't getting it... you can't just say how much you make per hour, because that doesn't tell the whole story....

    50$ an hour base, but with no education money, no annual bonus, a high med insurance co-payment, no pension, state income tax, high property taxes, high sales taxes etc etc etc - isn't worth much over $20-$25 an hour.....

    20$ an hour base with education money, annual bonus (not your annual raise), low/zero med insurance copays, a retirement plan (not 401/403), low property tax, low sales tax etc etc etc - "could" be worth nearly 50$ an hour

    Again, you have to compare apples to apples.
    I think we all understand that as well as cost of living, and most benefits in this line of work aren't too expensive, but we all know there are other things to consider; we just want to know the base to add to our other estimations. I know about what I'll pay for health insurance, I know about how many vacation days I will get with certain health systems, etc. We understand that there are lots of things to consider, but I don't think we expected everyone to do a breakdown (yours was great, by the way) for each thing they consider to be a benefit or extra income (for example, education allowance doesn't mean much to someone who has their MSN and doesn't plan on going any further with education; some may be covered by spouse's health insurance and won't be paying for any). We can all do that part/all the extras on our own, what we know to be worth $ or peace of mind, along with the approximate pay-scale of the state, if that makes sense.

    I'd love to hear some wages for Florida?! If anyone get's a chance. Thanks!
  10. by   Esme12
    Quote from studentinnursing
    I think we all understand that as well as cost of living, and most benefits in this line of work aren't too expensive, but we all know there are other things to consider; we just want to know the base to add to our other estimations. I know about what I'll pay for health insurance, I know about how many vacation days I will get with certain health systems, etc. We understand that there are lots of things to consider, but I don't think we expected everyone to do a breakdown (yours was great, by the way) for each thing they consider to be a benefit or extra income (for example, education allowance doesn't mean much to someone who has their MSN and doesn't plan on going any further with education; some may be covered by spouse's health insurance and won't be paying for any). We can all do that part/all the extras on our own, what we know to be worth $ or peace of mind, along with the approximate pay-scale of the state, if that makes sense.

    I'd love to hear some wages for Florida?! If anyone get's a chance. Thanks!

    I don't know about now. About 4 years ago, before the bottom droped out of the economy, my husband had a job opportunity in the West palm area and we went down there for his interview. I went down there very serious about moving and I set up interviews at several facilities as well as did some house hunting in the area. I found the pay poor and housing outrageous.

    I live in MA and our housing is VERY expensive too. To buy a comparable home in size, atributes, and land......the properties were out in the boonies or $800,000.......and I'd have to put my kids in private school to equal their education and school rankings. Considering the sales taxes on everything to benefit the tourist commodity everything was expensive.

    What shocked me the most in comparison was the salary, or should I say the lack thereof.......In MA at the time I was making $58.00 base per hour the BEST offer was $36.00 for the same position. (excluding benefits) The weekend, night, holiday differentials were also VERY different and much lower. When I mentioned this to one of my interviewers they stated they didn't believe me, so I showed them a pay stub.........she stated "Maybe I should move up north...".

    All things being equal for a supervisor of a large Acute Care/non academic hospital and experienced RN, down there was around $36.00.....4 years ago. I know it's not exactly what you are looking for but it's a guideline. Of course right now just to have a job is a bonus.......
  11. by   penny112
    Salary.com does not really give an accurate pay rate for the SF bay area. In CA SF Bay area starting pay ranges from $40-$50/hour for new grads. The VA here starts at $40 and they have a lower salary, places like Kaiser and others generally start at close to $50/hour. We do have one of the highest costs of living though...
  12. by   TMartinez_ER_RN
    new orleans area:

    starting: $22.50-23.50/hr, $4.00-$5.00/night diff, $4.00- $5.00/weekend diff

  13. by   hiddencatRN
    I work in Philly and new grads in city hospitals start at $27-28ish an hour. There's more variability once you get outside the city but that's the rate I was quoted by Jefferson, Penn hospitals, Tenet, etc.

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