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No. 10
from mwboswell
Old May 22, 2008, 12:23 AM

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How did radiology clear your son's C-spine? He needs a physician exam to clear C-spine. Also many fx's don't show up on plain films, CT is standard for spine.
Careful here when you say "standard" then that means that all places that either don't do it or don't have the capacity aren't providing "standard" care.... CT is NOT the standard of care for spines at this time. It is an adjunctive diagnostic tool. The history and clinical exam are the standard (meaning everyone gets this), the plain films or CT are based upon your findings or further investigation. I refer you to research the Canadian C-Spine rules or the NEXUS criteria for imaging of the spine in trauma. These tools have been validated and thoroughly researched over the years, and Mechanism of Injury alone is not criteria for imaging the spine.....

Do we xray and CT more than we should - definitely.
Do some clinicians use xrays and CTs in lieu of poor assessment and inadequate clinical decision making -YES (I am guilty of this sometimes also I admit)....
But does that make it acceptable to connotate xrays and CT's of the spine as "standard" - NO

All I'm saying is just be careful to not get in the trap of thinking what is "standard" versus not.

In my level I, university/teaching, trauma center, 115 bed ER with 180,000 ER visits/year - this definitely is not standard care.

Hope this helps!
-MB
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No. 11
from mwboswell
Old May 22, 2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by andhow5 View Post
Bad, BAD care.

He was a trauma patient, and treated like a fast-track patient. Considering his MOI, he needed much more ADVANCED care than he received. I'm glad he's OK, and I hope he heals quickly.
...see my other post: MOI in and of itself does not dictate the level of care
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No. 12
from traumaRUs
Old May 22, 2008, 08:07 AM

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Mechanism of injury however, does indicate the level of trauma for the pre-hospital folks to relay to the accepting hospital.

At any rate to the OP - I hope your son is recovering. As a mom I am so sorry for the worry this has caused you.
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No. 13
from rjflyn
Old May 22, 2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by traumaRUs View Post
Mechanism of injury however, does indicate the level of trauma for the pre-hospital folks to relay to the accepting hospital.

At any rate to the OP - I hope your son is recovering. As a mom I am so sorry for the worry this has caused you.
And based on the information in the original post and care he recieved he was probably not at trauma center. If he was the state and the American College of Surgeons should be yanking their trauma designation.

Rj
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No. 14
from andhow5
Old May 22, 2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rjflyn View Post
And based on the information in the original post and care he recieved he was probably not at trauma center. If he was the state and the American College of Surgeons should be yanking their trauma designation.

Rj
I completely agree!
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No. 15
from luvmy3kids
Old May 23, 2008, 12:57 AM

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I'm so sorry you have had to go through this. I hope your son recovers quickly.

I agree, you should contact someone and report the care he received. Good luck, let us know how he's healing. Take care.

Jennifer
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No. 16
from MacERRN
Old May 23, 2008, 07:05 AM

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What is that hospitals trauma designation?? Level 1,2,3??

Does sound like he was triaged to a fast track area is he was seen by a NP from the start. Although his MOI would have made him a trauma ALERT at our hosptial and he would have been evaluated by the trauma team which consist of 3 surgery residents, & a staff ER physician. He would have gotten 2 large bore IV's, a foley and a NG. Chest and pelvis plain films in the ER room, and then to CT for head and c-spine. Followed by more plain films of T and L spine. If everything checked out OK, he probably would have gone to tub room in our burn center for debriebment. And probably an oberservation admisson, again due to the MOI, AND 3RD DEGEE BURNS.
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No. 17
from mwboswell
Old May 23, 2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyERRN View Post
Does sound like he was triaged to a fast track area is he was seen by a NP from the start.
...Not all NPs only work Fast Track....
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No. 18
from MacERRN
Old May 23, 2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mwboswell View Post
...Not all NPs only work Fast Track....
Yes, I know. But the NP's and PA's I've worked with in level 2's and 3's over the years, have never been primary on a trauma pt.
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No. 19
Old May 23, 2008, 08:50 AM

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Thank you all for your input. My son's wounds look like they are getting better. He is still in severe pain, but now is manifesting other s/s.

Our hospital is not designated a trauma center as you all have figured out. However, they do have an emergency department and accept patients.Appropriate emergency care should have, but was not, provided. I'll deal with those things after we are on the upswing in recovery.

This town has two hospitals. I intend to take him to the other ED this morning to be examined by a doctor. I am not convinced there isn't something else going on. Severe pain in left kidney area, extreme bruising, mild swelling. I now do not believe he was even given a physical exam by the doctor in ED. (I was not with him the whole time, they had to have their paperwork, you know). X-rays included flat plate of cervical, thoracic, lumbar and sacral spine, abdomen. My son does not remember being examined.
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