Eat Before You Get Here! - page 6

WHY is it that as soon as people step one foot into the ER, they suddenly are overcome with hunger and thirst? Now I can understand if the patient is admitted and has been there all day and has eaten... Read More

  1. by   ratchit
    Quote from caroladybelle
    I have made no comments about welfare cheats, crazy patients, low pay whatsoever in this Thread.

    And few Nursing Schools has nothhing to do with the stats of a large percentage of new Grads quiting within 1-2 years post graduation.

    There are more than enough nurses in this Country that it has no shortage. Just most of them refuse to go back to work as Nurses because the pay is not acceptable for the conditions.
    Carolladybelle, take a deep breath and let it go. <G> Career2 hasn't seen the big picture of nursing yet and just doesn't- and won't- get it until he/she has walked in our shoes.

    We were all idealistic and aiming for compassionate perfection at one point. Watching the transition from wide eyed "gonna change the world!" to "oh my lord why have nurses let this happen to nursing" is interesting and sad. Let him/her have the idealism he/she will need for a little while longer..

    Since I've worn out more than a few pair of sneakers, I can say I am with ya!
  2. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from ratchit
    Carolladybelle, take a deep breath and let it go. <G> Career2 hasn't seen the big picture of nursing yet and just doesn't- and won't- get it until he/she has walked in our shoes.

    We were all idealistic and aiming for compassionate perfection at one point. Watching the transition from wide eyed "gonna change the world!" to "oh my lord why have nurses let this happen to nursing" is interesting and sad. Let him/her have the idealism he/she will need for a little while longer..

    Since I've worn out more than a few pair of sneakers, I can say I am with ya!
    I was trying to restrain myself from saying that, but some people do have to learn the hard way, I suppose.
    And I would rather not generalize , as the poster has generalized other people's comments towards me.

    And it ain't just the hospitals..... that are the problem. Otherwise all those people quitting would be going there, rather than tossing 3-4 years of school to the wind.

    Not to mention in the rest of the country nurses are getting paid maybe $15- $25 an hour, and substantial less at clinic work. Those making $40 are certainly not in the majority across the country.

    But G-d forbid that established fact cloud anyone's rosy view.

    And even $40/hour is not worth :

    - Having a visitor, upset that his family member has died, demands that the nurse resucitate the dead body, and when she tries to explain, he proceeds to strangle her with her scope, injuring her. Administration explains that it is understandable as he "was upset".

    - Watching your second patient of the week bleed to death in front of you, as their tumor eats a hole in their neck and through the carotid, and while you comfort family, knowing that the patient has Bloodbourne disease, and they initially bled all over your arms and through clothing, that a dementia patient has just bitten/scratched holes in.

    - Having an prisoner bite you while you try to draw blood. And the guards at the Bedside refuse to restrain him.

    - Taking antibiotics for infected scratches from dementia patients.

    - Hearing one patient fall, as you keep another patient from falling out of bed, because MD has ordered a sitter.....but staffing says that you do not need one as you are already "overstaffed. And as idiot administerators having started a "restraint free policy" No restraints. You pray you do not lose your license.

    - You and a pregnant nurse position a confused patient for an procedure. The MD gets angry as the patient beats the crap out of the nurses. MD throws contaminated sharps into the field, hitting the patient and both nurses. Patient grabs the pregnant nurse's finger, bends it backwards and breaks it. MD does nothing to try and stop the injury and leaves the room. Nurses clean up patient, and sharps. The next day, he puts patient on isolation for meningitis.

    - MD (knowing full well that there are pregnant nurses on floor) , angry that staff will not crush Thalidomide, crushes it and gives it to patient. To heck with aerosolizing the drug to anyone that walks in that area.

    - Patient maces tech and roommate when they refuse to let her smoke in her semiprivate room. The tech quit Nursing School after the incident.

    - Sitting on a "nonregulation" needle in the room of an known IV drug user...usually shortly after some "friends" came to visit.

    - Not getting a (required, time charged for) break for monthes of shifts...or getting off on time.

    Sorry my life (as opposed to being crippled, maimed, HIV + per needlestick) is worth more than $40 an hour...

    Now please allow us to vent.....one day you will need to vent, also.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on May 23, '04
  3. by   Vsummer1
    I notice that career2 states that EXPERIENCED nurses in California make $40 per hour. Sorry, not in the part of California that I am from. I am sure that some nurses do make that much, but with much more education than the basic RN and a whole lot more experience and schooling than the majority of RN's.

    In California, the cost of a home is more than most nurses can afford.

    In California, the wait for school may be long, but once you get out you may find that there are not enough preceptors to train you because the schools are churning out students faster than NURSES want to take on the burden of training a new RN under THEIR license.

    I live in California, will graduate and will make HALF OF that $40 AN HOUR. The only ones making that are 20 year experienced charge nurses that DESERVE that wage and have earned it, or the contract nurses they have working d/t the ratios mandated by law who DO NOT train new nurses. As a new grad, I will be happy to make my "measly" $20 an hour and I HOPE and PRAY I can find a $40 an hour nurse to train me, as he/she is worth her weight in gold!

    Career2, I am not yet a nurse but I really hope you don't choose nursing as your career because you haven't a clue what the people I aspire to be like do for a living. You did mention a doctor in the family. Perhaps medical training is more what you should be thinking about. I have met many doctors with your superior know-it-all attitude, so you should fit right in with them.

    Forgive me for being so negative, but I find the nonsense this person is spewing is getting to me.

    (edited for brain fart spelling error)
    Last edit by Vsummer1 on May 23, '04
  4. by   susi_q
    vsummer: we'll be glad to add you to our "little club" - sounds like you will be able to give your best, and keep your wits, and come back for more. (Hope you get a great preceptor, by the way)

    career2: please open your eyes. Most of us care about our patients more than we do our own well-being (no other explanation for all the s*** we take). However, we also recognize that in order to remain sane, we need a place to vent. To get it off our chests, and know others have the same frustrations, somehow makes it better when time to go back and face it again. Give us a break!!!! Like it or not ... we're human.

    Also, don't start taking on debt in expectation of a $40/hr salary ... let alone a "6 figure annual" - not for new grads - only for when you are experienced enough to take on even more of the crap as a manager or traveller (which can get downright dangerous).
  5. by   rn500
    Holy Moly Carolladybelle, where have you worked, Attica? You HAVE been through the ringer!

    As for the thread, I work in OB and we get the same stuff. Again, it's not a truly needy/hungry/not NPO pt that we mind feeding, it's the family members who come to bed down for the night with the pt and think we are waitresses in our spare time. I truly am stupified at the attitude some people have about hospitals. The day OB units changed to open visiting was a truly sad day. Now, before the flames start, you KNOW I'm not talking about responsible daddies and grandparents who keep control over their 2 year olds and don't let their children scream, run up and down the halls, crawl on the filthy floor, ask us for juice every 5 minutes and crush saltines into every nook and cranny they can find. And I'm not talking about the supportive sister or friend who brings a couple bucks to feed themselves, I'm speaking of the baby daddies who show up with 49 cents in their pocket and no one to call for a ride/food/whatever, their buddies who come to visit "Shawna" but don't know her last name, the 3 little sisters of the 16 year old pt, grampa who is diabetic and must have a sandwich while he is here, and assorted cousins, aunts and uncles who think we are a corner convenience store.

    PHEW! I needed that! Thanks.

    Did I mention the guy who HAD a carseat for his kid, but since he knew we gave them away for free if needed, could he have one?

    Ummm... NO! I had to count to 10 on that one.
  6. by   veetach
    wow what a thread! I have a couple of questions though... WHERE on earth are staff RN's making $40 per hour??? I want to move there!!

    Here in PA, agency/travelling RN's can probably make close to $40/hour, but they are driving sometimes 75 mi (one way) to a hospital to work. I currently work in the 2nd highest paid hospital in the entire state, and I am getting just shy of $29/hr (including differential, not including charge pay) and I have been nursing for 10 years and in the ED for 7 1/2.

    I used to live and work in California, the wages are not nearly high enough for the cost of living.

    One more thing, feeding dinner to someone who is going to be discharged is not my priority. My diabetic patients in the middle of a long workup or patients who are going to be admitted after 6:00pm (who will miss dinner trays on admission) are the ones we worry about feeding. We have a Taco Bell on one side of our hospital and a Hardees on the other, everyone else can stop by for fast food after discharge.
    Last edit by veetach on May 26, '04
  7. by   RNin92
    You know it amazes me that no matter what the start of a thread...someone always comes around to finger pointing and telling the ER nurses to "find another career". And that person is NEVER an ER nurse. (Thank God!!!)

    career2...want can I say that better nurses than I have already said to you?
    Hmmmmm...how about lighten up and think career number 3..cuz nursing ain't gonna be right for you my friend.

  8. by   RNin92
    Quote from veetach
    wow what a thread! I have a couple of questions though... WHERE on earth are staff RN's making $40 per hour??? I want to move there!!

    Here in PA, agency/travelling RN's can probably make close to $40/hour, but they are driving sometimes 75 mi (one way) to a hospital to work. I currently work in the 2nd highest paid hospital in the entire state, and I am getting just shy of $29/hr (including differential, not including charge pay) and I have been nursing for 10 years and in the ED for 7 1/2.

    I used to live and work in California, the wages are not nearly high enough for the cost of living.

    One more thing, feeding dinner to someone who is going to be discharged is not my priority. My diabetic patients in the middle of a long workup or patients who are going to be admitted after 6:00pm (who will miss dinner trays on admission) are the ones we worry about feeding. We have a Taco Bell on one side of our hospital and a Hardees on the other, everyone else can stop by for fast food after discharge.
    veetach...in my neck of the woods weekenders can make 40/hr. with benefits. staff nurses are more along the 25-30/hr. new grads around 21/hr.
    although, one of our registry nurses took a job with a hospital's "inhouse" agency and makes 50/hr travelling to 3 hospitals within about 45 mins of each other.
  9. by   veetach
    Quote from RNin92
    veetach...in my neck of the woods weekenders can make 40/hr. with benefits. staff nurses are more along the 25-30/hr. new grads around 21/hr.
    although, one of our registry nurses took a job with a hospital's "inhouse" agency and makes 50/hr travelling to 3 hospitals within about 45 mins of each other.
    WOW! In my opinion those wages are great! I do think our cost of living is much lower here than other places, so I am not complaining. Our New grads start out at $18-$19 per hour I think. We are a union hospital and just starting negotiations for a new contract so we will see what they come up with.

    I know a lot of people like working agency, and I am SO glad they do. But it isnt for me, I like the comfort of working in our ED where I am comfortable and relaxed.

    When I moved to PA from KS in 1999, I got a $9/hr raise in pay just due to the change in location!!
  10. by   veetach
    Quote from RNin92
    You know it amazes me that no matter what the start of a thread...someone always comes around to finger pointing and telling the ER nurses to "find another career". And that person is NEVER an ER nurse. (Thank God!!!)

    career2...want can I say that better nurses than I have already said to you?
    Hmmmmm...how about lighten up and think career number 3..cuz nursing ain't gonna be right for you my friend.

    Well said, my friend!!
  11. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Eating is a way people deal with stress.

    Also, often they have to wait a long time for care. It was frustrating when my 5-year-old son was hit by a car one morning, (thankfully, he only broke an arm), and he had to wait all day until evening before he could be taken to surgery. Granted, a broken arm is not a top priority, but a 5-year-old who is not allowed to eat ALL DAY because he must wait his turn to be taken to surgery? At least we had a compassionate nurse who was understanding.
  12. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from rn500
    Holy Moly Carolladybelle, where have you worked, Attica? You HAVE been through the ringer!
    I have worked in Florida and Georgia prior to becoming a traveler, and all of the above incidents occurred in those states.

    Little elderly people can be devils when they get sundowner's/dementia.

    I worked ID/HIV for 3 years and Oncology the rest.

    And no, these days even experienced travelers rarely make a regular $40/hour unless they strikebreak...something that I refuse to do. Or all of their assignments are high end.

    My point is some things are not worth ANY amount of money...like losing one's health/life.
  13. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    At least we had a compassionate nurse who was understanding.
    It has little to nothing to do with understanding and/or compassion.

    It has to do with a nurse that has had nothing to eat herself for 8 hours or for the two shifts or more that she has worked that week. It has to do with no dietary service after 1900 at night and nothing but dry crackers anywhere in the pantry or the three nearest units. It has to with hospitals too cheap to even keep a coffee pot on a unit, for the staff to bring in coffee for - the staff has to walk 2 blocks away to buy coffee from a vender...at 0200 AM, if they want some.

    It has to do with the hospital not seeing fit to provide ANY way to provide food at night in the hospital.

    An assignment ago, at the worst hospital that I have ever worked, they had mandated overtime. Even though I was not mandated (due to traveler status), I would often work, to keep coworkers that were sick/had childcare concerns from having to do a double.

    One night, a coworker that had just found out that she was pregnant got mandated at 2340 at night (shift ended at 2345). I couldn't cover as I was due back at 0715. I gave her my emergency stash of food (easymac, instant cocoa/soup packs, microwave popcorn). It is sad that she had to choose between those for nourishing her unborn child that night....so bountiful is the way that hospitals treat their staff that they mandate.

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