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No. 20
from JoeDEDRN
Old Oct 21, 2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by neonatal_nurse View Post
Oh my gosh soo many deaths in the NICU. You have to get used to it and still be objective, that's why we nurses should be made of tough stuff. I have seen countless, and it really haunts you, especially when the baby's being resuscitated to no avail, you can almost feel the exhaustion of everyone- doctors, nurses, etc. The thing that makes it harder though is the sound of crying (or howling) of the parents as they are called in. You still have to do your duty, while keeping a straight face to them.
A quick question. Does your department offer any critical incident debriefing or specific employee assistance?
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No. 21
from JoPACURN
Old Oct 21, 2009, 11:24 PM

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We had a very sick baby the other day come through for emergency surgery. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick..requiring transfer to a facility with ECMO.

I haven't slept for a couple of days now..........
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No. 22
from tewdles
Old Oct 22, 2009, 06:40 AM

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Back in the day...the clergy and social workers "hung out" often in our PICU. There were no formal programs. We "played" alot after work...therapeutic drinking or something like that.
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No. 23
from JoeDEDRN
Old Oct 22, 2009, 07:44 AM

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Back in the day...the clergy and social workers "hung out" often in our PICU. There were no formal programs. We "played" alot after work...therapeutic drinking or something like that.
I agree with you 100%.

It is my time to sound like the daynursaurus I used to mock when I was younger and had hair.

Back in the day, all had same shifts, we all came on and left together. We had much more "therapeutic " time with or without alcohol. We had an opportunity to vent, to talk and to hash over the days events. It was neither formal, nor professional.

The point is we spoke and things were talked about. I am not sure if it helped or not. It was good to hear others had the same ideas and feelings. It certainly was more than we do now. Staggered in and out times make these informal gatherings next to impossible. We do have formal debriefings, but with those debriefings come expectations and time constraints. Probably not the best method for those who are less than outgoing with their emotions. I am in no way saying to go out and get blitzed because it is not about the alcohol. I think it is more about the comradery, the time away from work with those that you work with that is the biggest help.
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No. 24
from MassED
Old Oct 23, 2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JoPACURN View Post
We had a very sick baby the other day come through for emergency surgery. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick..requiring transfer to a facility with ECMO.

I haven't slept for a couple of days now..........
that stinks. =( MadTV usually helps to distract... maybe you'll fall asleep while some comedy is on...
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No. 25
from MassED
Old Oct 23, 2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by neonatal_nurse View Post
Oh my gosh soo many deaths in the NICU. You have to get used to it and still be objective, that's why we nurses should be made of tough stuff. I have seen countless, and it really haunts you, especially when the baby's being resuscitated to no avail, you can almost feel the exhaustion of everyone- doctors, nurses, etc. The thing that makes it harder though is the sound of crying (or howling) of the parents as they are called in. You still have to do your duty, while keeping a straight face to them.
that right there is why I don't prefer to deal with Pediatrics. That right there. Parents, families... they have to live without that child... the baby/child had all that medicine could offer, but the family is left behind. That just kills me.
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No. 26
from janfrn
Old Oct 23, 2009, 07:43 PM

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This hits close to the heart. I've been working in PICU for more than 12 years now and count myself lucky to have had very few patient deaths. The ones I have had had are all very vivid in my memory and will stay with me forever. Each one is different from the others and each one evokes different emotions; some of these babies were living on borrowed time and some were the victims of unfortunate events. I've taken something away from each of them.

My first was a 9 month old from an impoverished community who had fallen head first into a 5 gallon pail of human waste. The result was overwhelming sepsis and DIC. We knew by noon of my second day with him that he was not going to live, but the family were not informed of that information before he coded. My lesson from him was to hold the doctors' feet to the fire and not allow them to avoid the hard parts of their jobs - having the difficult conversations with families thus depriving them of the chance to prepare.

The second was a neonate with multiple congenital anomalies who struggled through a month of "treatment" that amounted more to torture before dying in my arms. Lesson learned - it's possible to feel joy when a baby dies peacefully in the arms of someone who cares.

My third was a 3 month old SIDS. The guilt that mother expressed still tears at me, but I really feel that I helped her see that there was no one to blame. I have always seen the important part that caring for the patient's parents represents, but this was truly the first time that it was my primary focus.

The fourth was 22 hours ago... a 3 month old with a very complex heart defect who arrested out of the blue on the peds floor, then despite the ready availability of ECPR at our hospital, died anyway. The nurse doing CPR was horrified when the healed sternotomy scar tore under her compressing thumbs. Baby's parents didn't arrive on the unit until after we had abandoned our efforts. Mom collapsed when she saw her baby for the first time and Dad tried valiantly not to reveal any emotion, but both of them amazed me. The image of this big, very masculine and tough Dad sobbing as he cradled his baby in his arms, the strength in this Mom's voice when she said, "I want her death to mean something, please find out why she died," and the steady hand she used to sign consent for autopsy tell me I can't predict how people will behave in the worst moments of their lives - they often surprise us.

tewdles and JoeDEDRN point out some flaws in how our profession has been altered for the worse. In the quest for budgetary balance, flexibility of scheduling and a shift in attitude, we've lost the team approach. 10 years ago when I experienced my first such death, I was supported 100% by the coworkers I saw every shift, people who knew me almost as well as my best friend does and who understood how I would feel and react. Looking at last night, I feel that the hodge-podge of my coworkers who were there and didn't even realize that I had been the nurse in the room AND whom I'm unlikely to work with again for weeks, cannot possibly provide me with any real support. To know that this situation is the norm now is very sobering.

LLLLiiiFFEsaveer, do you have someone who knows you well who also understands the world you live in at work? Please tell me that you do and that you'll call them now. We allnurses folk can only help so much because we don't have all the pieces of the picture that is you. If you can hold onto the notion that millions of babies live into old age and never really even have an awareness of the few that don't, it will help. Gentle hugs to you.
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