2015 DNP

[BabyLady]

I am wondering if anyone has heard any updates.

Everything I keep seeing online from the AACN is "recommendation", "strongly encouraged", "highly suggested".

I have yet to see anything, that says, "Look, either you graduate and pass your boards by January 1, 2015 or you can put the MSN you have in back of the closet and start working on your DNP, because the MSN isn't good enough anymore to sit for national certification."

There are many of us, including myself, that will be finishing probably in 2013 or 2014...now, we would all like to think that we would pass our certification the first go-round, but we all know that may or may not happen for some of us.

Example: You graduate in June 2014 with your MSN and it is January, 2015, you still cannot pass your certification exam...does that mean you have to go back to school or you cannot practice?

I have seen some colleges that have completely phased out MSN programs but I have seen MANY that have not...that makes me wonder if it is not going to be a "go" like they are claiming that it is.

I would love to hear from those that keep up with this sort of thing...that may have more insight.

[linearthinker, DNP, RN]

Eileen T. O'Grady

The “Anti-DNP”

And, there is a message for those who disagree with the DNP. You should not pursue this degree if you are deeply satisfied in your current positions and are meeting patient needs. Earning a DNP requires a spirit dedicated to learning and an acknowledgement that something is pulling you ever deeper into nursing. A strong DNP program will kindle that bright spark, change you, and create tension between what is and what could be. It is not always a comfortable feeling since DNP students realize they have outgrown their flowerpot and must be repotted. If the program is well run, has a high degree of academic rigor, and fosters timely program completion, graduates will be positioned to meaningfully influence health reform and work towards building more humane, lower-cost delivery systems. This dedication and hard work may not be for everyone.

http://www.webnponline.com/columns/details/to-the-class-of-2011-aprn-graduates-and-the-hopeful-future/

[bsnanat2]

Eileen T. O'Grady

The "Anti-DNP"

And, there is a message for those who disagree with the DNP. You should not pursue this degree if you are deeply satisfied in your current positions and are meeting patient needs. Earning a DNP requires a spirit dedicated to learning and an acknowledgement that something is pulling you ever deeper into nursing. A strong DNP program will kindle that bright spark, change you, and create tension between what is and what could be. It is not always a comfortable feeling since DNP students realize they have outgrown their flowerpot and must be repotted. If the program is well run, has a high degree of academic rigor, and fosters timely program completion, graduates will be positioned to meaningfully influence health reform and work towards building more humane, lower-cost delivery systems. This dedication and hard work may not be for everyone.

http://www.webnponline.com/columns/details/to-the-class-of-2011-aprn-graduates-and-the-hopeful-future/

The fluff may not be for everyone.

[linearthinker, DNP, RN]

Belittling others' goals and efforts lacks collegiality and professionalism. Shame on you.

[bsnanat2]

It's not a belittling of anyone's goals. Those who want the DNP are free to pursue it, but not everyone feels that the DNP is the degree that it should be. Again, the benefits that are ascribed to the DNP can be yours no matter what doctorate you pursue. I do not believe that the DNP will suddenly make all NP's equal to MD's. That is not a put down of NP's or a raising-up of MD's, it's simple math. By the same token, you should not belittle and look down on those who don't drink the DNP Koolaid.

[linearthinker, DNP, RN]

"Fluff" and "DNP koolaid" = belittling. And I think you well know that. Most (all?) of your posts on this subject are incendiary. You are consistently disrespectful and it isn't an accident.

[dissent]

"Fluff" and "DNP koolaid" = belittling. And I think you well know that. Most (all?) of your posts on this subject are incendiary. You are consistently disrespectful and it isn't an accident.

Belittling or truthful?

Quite frankly, anyone who pushes the DNP as much as you do without realizing its massive flaws has ulterior motives or a conflict of interest. So which is it?

[linearthinker, DNP, RN]

I don't agree that my program has "massive flaws." I am aware that there are some that are sub par. The comments are not about sub par programs, they are about the DNP in general.

I'm not "pushing it" now, nor have I ever. I have consistently said it is not for everyone and should not be required for entry to practice.

I do think we all should support colleagues who are furthering their education, as well as the profession. Doing so does not involve drinking any kool-aid. It only requires a bit of grace, and respect.

In my experience, it has been possible to discuss the pros and cons of pursuing a BSN, MSN, PhD or DNP without even inadvertently insulting people to whom those things have great value. That some people continually make comments fully intended to deride the DNP, rather than discuss, is a psychological phenomena which mystifies me.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

We promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Tossing around politically charged buzz words serves no useful purpose, Nursing needs well thoughout dialogue on the DNP as we reach this crucial junction in growth of the nursing profession.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

while looking for nursing compact info, found these articles at medscape:

[color=#004276]in support of doctor of nursing practice education in canada

[color=#004276]what legal issues lead a hospital to deny dnps 'dr.' title?

[color=#5757a6]does the dnp's experience justify the title of 'doctor'?

[MC1906]

caroline,

what program are you attending if you don't mind me asking? I'm interested in getting my DNP!

Thank you in advance!

[JenniferFord]

Here is a nurse-practitioner-written article that describes the 2015 DNP requirement:

http://nurse-practitioners-and-physician-assistants.advanceweb.com/Editorial/Content/editorial.aspx?CTIID=3884

[traumaRUs, MSN, APRN]

Although the above-referenced article is well written - one must realize that the DNP is a THOUGHT, SUGGESTION, but not at all MANDATORY!

I stand behind my statement that 30 years ago, the BSN was going to be the entry level to RN practice.

The DNP is going to fall by the wayside too.