The DNP and what it means for the APN

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i know there has been a lot of debate whether or not nps will have to be doctorate prepared to practice. well i was just browsing on the university of iowas website, this is what i found:

more about the dnp degree

the american association of colleges of nursing requires that by 2015 all nurse practitioners entering advance practice be prepared at the doctorate level. learn more about the emerging role of the dnp check these links:

www.aacn.nche.edu

www.nonpf.com

here's the link i found this information at

http://www.nursing.uiowa.edu/academic_programs/graduate/dnp/index.htm

what are your thoughts on this?

Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.

Are there no DNP online programs for people who are already master level prepared advanced nurses? There are online programs for Physical Therapists that have a masters and getting grandfathered into their DPT since they need it by 2020.

I'm still doing my BSN but I later want to become an advanced practice nurse and will go for my DNP if it's cheaper than getting a masters and then later getting a DNP.

One shot, one kill.

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Specializes in SICU, MICU, Med/Surg, ER, Private Duty.
Are there no DNP online programs for people who are already master level prepared advanced nurses? There are online programs for Physical Therapists that have a masters and getting grandfathered into their DPT since they need it by 2020.

I'm still doing my BSN but I later want to become an advanced practice nurse and will go for my DNP if it's cheaper than getting a masters and then later getting a DNP.

One shot, one kill.

there are actual programs out there, for BSN to DNP.. very few but they exist, but they are 4-5 years of schooling... but from MSN to DNP is 2-3.. so its basically same cost, spending financially... oh well... not really a one shot, one kill deal...........

but by 2015, there will be changes.. it may be shorter. only time will tell...

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As for "medical science" ... try ... phyisical science ... biological sciences ... life sciences ...etc. Those are the terms most often used to talk about courses like biology, physiology, anatomy, etc. "Medical science" is the field of medicine -- diagnosis and treatment of diseases, the discipline that MD's have their degree in. :)

Actually medical sciences is an accurate description. In most graduate schools that do medical research, the term medical sciences is used to include things like immunology, biochemistry, neurosciences, anatomy/microanatomy, physiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc. So having a basis in medical science just means you had a good foundation in things like physiology, anatomy, pathophysiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc

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Specializes in SICU, MICU, Med/Surg, ER, Private Duty.
Actually medical sciences is an accurate description. In most graduate schools that do medical research, the term medical sciences is used to include things like immunology, biochemistry, neurosciences, anatomy/microanatomy, physiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc. So having a basis in medical science just means you had a good foundation in things like physiology, anatomy, pathophysiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc

dam i should have just went to medical school...

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Specializes in CCU,ED, Hospice.
Actually medical sciences is an accurate description. In most graduate schools that do medical research, the term medical sciences is used to include things like immunology, biochemistry, neurosciences, anatomy/microanatomy, physiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc. So having a basis in medical science just means you had a good foundation in things like physiology, anatomy, pathophysiology, microbiology, pharmacology etc

I understand LLG's hesitation. If a RN or APN were to state that he/she were educated in "medical sciences" while in their prospective programs , in some quarters, the uproar would be deafening... :twocents: JMHO :eek:

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
there are actual programs out there, for BSN to DNP.. very few but they exist, but they are 4-5 years of schooling... but from MSN to DNP is 2-3.. so its basically same cost, spending financially... oh well... not really a one shot, one kill deal...........

but by 2015, there will be changes.. it may be shorter. only time will tell...

Actually I put in BSN-DNP in google and came up with a bunch of schools so I think there are a lot more schools that have BSN-DNP programs. There not online only programs which is great since you have to be there and do clinical. Also I answered my own question I guess cause there are some online masters to DNP programs that are all online that I saw from the same schools that offer BSN-DNP.

I think it was more one shot one kill because your already in a program for DNP if your a BSN grad. A lot of things can happen in your life or sometimes people get fed up with schooling they will stop after there masters cause there basically tired of school. So if I did BSN to MSN to DNP, I might get fed up with all the schooling and just get tired of school and just not go for my DNP compared to if I'm already in a BSN-DNP program. I could get tired of schooling but I won't drop out since I wouldn't be classified as an advanced practice nurse until I got the degree.

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Specializes in Ante-Intra-Postpartum, Post Gyne.

The irony of this all is that two of the best FNPs I know only have their ASN degree on top of there FNP certification.

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Specializes in SICU, MICU, Med/Surg, ER, Private Duty.
Actually I put in BSN-DNP in google and came up with a bunch of schools so I think there are a lot more schools that have BSN-DNP programs. There not online only programs which is great since you have to be there and do clinical. Also I answered my own question I guess cause there are some online masters to DNP programs that are all online that I saw from the same schools that offer BSN-DNP.

I think it was more one shot one kill because your already in a program for DNP if your a BSN grad. A lot of things can happen in your life or sometimes people get fed up with schooling they will stop after there masters cause there basically tired of school. So if I did BSN to MSN to DNP, I might get fed up with all the schooling and just get tired of school and just not go for my DNP compared to if I'm already in a BSN-DNP program. I could get tired of schooling but I won't drop out since I wouldn't be classified as an advanced practice nurse until I got the degree.

anything can happen...weather you are a MSN/DNP, BSN-DNP.. the fact is...for BSN-DNP MSN-DNP.. is virtually the same. when it cost to costs.. and time in school..

there is not short cut.....

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
anything can happen...weather you are a MSN/DNP, BSN-DNP.. the fact is...for BSN-DNP MSN-DNP.. is virtually the same. when it cost to costs.. and time in school..

there is not short cut.....

There is no time difference between applying for MSN-DNP? Hmm maybe I'm misunderstanding but if I graduate BSN and then have to apply to a MSN program there is a wait then there another wait from MSN to DNP for application process. But BSN-DNP there is only one wait for application process. Years in school might be the same but if you took a BSN student to a DNP student and a BSN to MSN to DNP student the BSN-DNP student would graduate sooner since there is less application waiting time.

For example University of Minnesota has a BSN-DNP program that is 3 years. But if I tried to do BSN-MSN then MSN-DNP that will take longer than 3 years.

I'm not saying there is a short cut. But the time you get the degree in your hand yes there is a difference.

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Specializes in ACNP-BC, CCRN-CMC (critical care).

I haven't read every single response to this post, so I may be reiterating others' ideas or not. In any case, I believe it will be extremely difficult to make the DNP/DrNP (clinical doctorate) required for all NPs. Nursing as an entity is confused enough about getting people into registered nursing, for which we still cannot find a way to ensure that every RN has a bachelors degree, let alone that every NP will need to have a doctorate. As it stands, many (if not most) of the 'clinical' doctorate programs still focus largely on epidemiology, research, and policy rather than on clinical residencies/fellowships or actual enhancement of diagnostic, treatment, or procedural skills - another testament to the unclear purpose and goals of this type of program. If the DNP does somehow become a requirement and already licensed NPs are not exempt, I probably won't be a NP any more.

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