Doctoral degree to become an NP??? - page 77

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The American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) is calling for the requirement of doctorate in nursing for advanced practice nurses, such as nurse practitioners, nurse midwives, clinical nurse specialists, and nurse... Read More


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    check out september 2005, online journal of issues in nursing

    28. the doctor of nursing practice (dnp): need for more dialogue

    overview and summary

    articles

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    I wonder if the OP is still here? I can understand the extra frustrations though since the OP already has BS, MS, and is now an ADN RN?

    Well at the very least RN degree will let you work while figuring out what to do. You can still go to PA or med school as a RN, I've known people to do that. this sadly is pretty much the scenario I posted about a while ago, the DNP requirement will simply drive more qualified candidates to PA school.
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    What will you have as a PA (Physicians Assistant)? No independent license and no doctor before your name.

    Besides that, you will get the $70,000 a year.

    Expand your horizons.

    Quote, "Brick walls are there for a reason. They let us prove how badly we want things."
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    Quote from CorrectionalNP
    What will you have as a PA (Physicians Assistant)? No independent license and no doctor before your name.

    Besides that, you will get the $70,000 a year.

    Expand your horizons.

    Quote, "Brick walls are there for a reason. They let us prove how badly we want things."
    All you get from the PA is half again as much clinical education and more than twice the didactic time compared to the DNP. Some of us are more into the knowledge and the experience than the title (and I make a lot more than $70k/yr).

    David Carpenter, PA-C
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    Quote from core0
    All you get from the PA is half again as much clinical education and more than twice the didactic time compared to the DNP. Some of us are more into the knowledge and the experience than the title (and I make a lot more than $70k/yr).

    David Carpenter, PA-C
    I have to agree with David....

    Even before I was an NP I have had the privilege to work with and be friends with multiple PAs. All were professional and more than willing to share their knowledge. In school some of my best preceptors where PAs. In clinicals some of my best support came form PA students and the PAs already working. I say this because so many of the nurses I had worked with and some of the nursing instructors I had in the past turned hostile when they found out I was going for my APN.

    Maybe the PAs I know are not called doctors but they are 100% professionals serving in family medicine, cardiology, cardiac surgery, internal medicine, etc.. They share their knowledge with their patients and others.

    Back to the subject of this thread doctoral degree to become an NP???? Until every state program is required to to meet the same basic criteria and until the ANP programs stop trying to be reactive with titles and until the ANP programs increase didactic time and clinical time aimed at Anatomy and Physiology and Pharmacology and modalities, etc and until actual clinical hoursare increased: The expansion of the APN in the world of medicine / health care could very well stop growing and start shrinking.

    Until present APNs make a unified stance the future of APNs will continue to be left to others... The MDs and PAs are not doing this to us.. We are doing this to us.....
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    Looks like the shortest route to advanced practice is going to be just to go to DO school. What is the point of advanced practice now, if you have to get a PhD to even get into schooling?
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    "All you get from the PA is half again as much clinical education and more than twice the didactic time compared to the DNP. Some of us are more into the knowledge and the experience than the title (and I make a lot more than $70k/yr).

    David Carpenter, PA-C"



    Thank you David. You made my point.
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    Looks like the shortest route to advanced practice is going to be just to go to DO school. What is the point of advanced practice now, if you have to get a PhD to even get into schooling?
    Or MD? DO and MD are the same thing with the same end result and the same length...

    And still definitely not the fastest route unless you want to be an independent practitioner; then it is the only route.

    By the way, approximately the same number of NPs and PAs are practicing independently.
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    Does anyone know -
    Is there any difference in pay and/or responsibility between FNP and a DNP?
    Besides the title what would be the advantage to getting a DNP over a FNP right now?

    I've looked at the programs and all I see are classes on leadership, financial planning, statistics, etc... Silly me thinking that the "practice" part of DNP meant practice ...
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    Quote from jlcole45
    Does anyone know -
    Is there any difference in pay and/or responsibility between FNP and a DNP?
    Besides the title what would be the advantage to getting a DNP over a FNP right now?

    I've looked at the programs and all I see are classes on leadership, financial planning, statistics, etc... Silly me thinking that the "practice" part of DNP meant practice ... ...


    Right now, there are no differences. FNP is minimum Masters prepared NP. The responsibilities and salary commands are no different. This could change later on...

    Bear in mind, FNP is not a degree. It is a specialty track for the NP and the minimum education is MSN. The DNP is a degree.

    If the DNP becomes the terminal entry for all APNs by 2015, the advantage would be to go ahead and secure that now.
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