DNP vs MD

  1. 1 What is the difference between DNP and MD? How long does it take to become a DNP if you already have BSN degree? I thought nurses had problems with docs, but one day I visited the student doctor website and I was surprised to see how many student docs, docs, pharmacists were against the DNP program/degree and some did not have any respect for nurses. Many had horrible things to say about nursing and nurses, they said it's easy to become a nurse and not a lot of traning is required. One person said, "lets face it, doctors can survive without nurses and they can have a resident do what nurses do, but if the hospital takes the doctors out the nurses will struggle and the hospital will die."
    Do doctors forget that nurses are the largest group of healthcare?Doctors are never there to see the condition of their patients, they don't know if the meds are doing what they are supposed to do. Nurses are the ones that know the patients better and they let the docs know what is going on.
    Some said," if nurses want to be called doctors they should go to medical school and not attending a new program DNP. To be a doctor they need more years of school." I swear some people think that years of school predict intelligence, years of school make you a better nurse, doctor, etc. Really, what's the difference in school years between DNP and MD ?

    It's becoming a big war b/w nurses and doctors. Let's face it, one can't work without the other. They both need each others help.
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  4. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    It is my experience that many MD's owe nurses their license.......At 3am it is a nurse at the besdide not the MD.
    NorthmanRig, txspadequeenRN, Ellen NP, and 10 others like this.
  5. Visit  Lovelymo79 profile page
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    Doctors can see patients in their offices..surgery can be done in surgery centers...every CVS has a pharmacist..respiratory and physical therapists can have centers...but a hospital CANNOT survive without nurses.
    Every other position can perform their duties outside of hospitals..and while nurses do work in other capacities..the things they do IN a hospital cannot be performed anywhere else but a hospital. Hospitals cannot survive with nurses!
    Ellen NP, anie10, carolinapooh, and 3 others like this.
  6. Visit  ScottE profile page
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    Doctor is an educational title.

    Physician is an occupation.

    If someone completed the requisite course work to earn a PhD in refuse collection they deserve the right to be called Doctor . . .
    johndough, jaabrn, anie10, and 13 others like this.
  7. Visit  Fribblet profile page
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    A person who has attained a DNP is a nurse with an advanced degree who focuses on teaching and research.

    And MD is a person with a professional degree who is licensed to diagnose and treat patients with medical needs.

    A DNP will not make you a MD.
    Ellen NP, KbmRN, kakamegamama, and 1 other like this.
  8. Visit  ScottE profile page
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    Quote from Fribblet
    A person who has attained a DNP is a nurse with an advanced degree who focuses on teaching and research.

    And MD is a person with a professional degree who is licensed to diagnose and treat patients with medical needs.

    A DNP will not make you a MD.

    Not exactly, the DNP is a professional degree along the same lines as the MD. The role of the DNP prepared nurse hasn't yet been clearly defined it is rather new.

    The PhD in nursing focuses research.
    Ellen NP, SHGR, and healthstar like this.
  9. Visit  healthstar profile page
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    Quote from fribblet
    a person who has attained a dnp is a nurse with an advanced degree who focuses on teaching and research.

    and md is a person with a professional degree who is licensed to diagnose and treat patients with medical needs.

    a dnp will not make you a md.
    so many medical students and doctors are threatened by dnp program...it's not like nurses are taking their degrees away.
    anie10 and carolinapooh like this.
  10. Visit  Flying ICU RN profile page
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    Quote from healthstar
    One person said, "lets face it, doctors can survive without nurses and they can have a resident do what nurses do, but if the hospital takes the doctors out the nurses will struggle and the hospital will die."
    Whoever said that, is at the moment most certainly poorly educated, but is about to get one hell of an education!
    DesertRN2 and diver117 like this.
  11. Visit  ScottE profile page
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    Quote from healthstar
    So many medical students and doctors are threatened by DNP program...it's not like nurses are taking their degrees away.

    I don't even know if it is threatened so much as it is just engaging in a ******* contest that a vast majority of people seem to enjoy. Look my degree penis is bigger than your degree penis, I'm better and more important that you, and so on and so forth.
    GoVeg, echocat, anie10, and 14 others like this.
  12. Visit  healthstar profile page
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    Everybody who has a PhD is called Dr.lastname. Pharmacists, dentists, lawyers( w/PhD) are called dr.lastname but MD's do not like nurses to be called doctors. It seems like people go to Med school to get that (doctor)title instead of focusing on caring for people.
    I know that not all doctors are physicians.
  13. Visit  healthstar profile page
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    Quote from ScottE
    I don't even know if it is threatened so much as it is just engaging in a ******* contest that a vast majority of people seem to enjoy. Look my degree penis is bigger than your degree penis, I'm better and more important that you, and so on and so forth.
    Oh God, you're funny.
    rouqie and Esme12 like this.
  14. Visit  deltamed profile page
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    Would a lawyer be mad/threatened if there was a 12 month course to give a paralegal all the rights/privileges of a lawyer? Would a nurse be mad/threatened if there was a 6-month degree that allowed EMTs or MAs practice nursing? What if those "degrees" in many cases were offered online?

    Of course they would be mad. Is that surprising? Why should physicians not be the same?
    traveler65, kakamegamama, and viral2010 like this.
  15. Visit  highlandlass1592 profile page
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    Quote from deltamed
    Would a lawyer be mad/threatened if there was a 12 month course to give a paralegal all the rights/privileges of a lawyer? Would a nurse be mad/threatened if there was a 6-month degree that allowed EMTs or MAs practice nursing? What if those "degrees" in many cases were offered online?

    Of course they would be mad. Is that surprising? Why should physicians not be the same?
    In many states, DNP's do not have the same autonomy MD's possess. Some states are more liberal than others in how they define the scope of practice for DNP's. Instead of worrying about running down advance practice nurses, why doesn't the AMA worry about improving patient satisfaction and standards of care? Study after study have shown that patients who see NP's have far greater satisfaction scores than those who see MD's for primary care.

    The AMA is purpotrating stories that NP's aren't licensed professionals and can't adequately or safely manage patients either in an in-patient setting or an out-patient setting. This has been shown not to be the case. If the AMA wants to state a position coming out against NP's..they can do it without impugning my profession. However, they see fit to employ scare tactics and fear mongering...not professional at all.
    SShannon81, DesertRN2, and maldoniaNP like this.


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