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| No. 10 |
Mar 17, 2009, 10:42 AM
Re: Warning - excelsior students Originally Posted by DaFreak71 Don't be so quick to beat up on the OP.
He said that she got her degree (and license I'm guessing because she was applying for a R.N. job at several facilities). The problem he identified was that even though she is a RN, the hospitals are not wanting to hire graduates of Excelsior. She cannot go back to a more acceptable program because she has already earned her RN. Makes sense to me.
I've seen this "We're not getting the full story" line in many many posts here on allnurses. That's rather presumptuous and if you're not understanding the OP's point of view, ask directly instead of insinuating that he is holding back pertinent information purposely. People in general are pretty skeptical around here. As to why he might be the OP instead of his girlfriend? This is just a wild guess, but if I were her I'd be feeling pretty depressed and might want to distance myself from the whole situation. Significant others often take up for their loved ones and his posting (instead of her) seems like an act of love for her, anger at the situation (understandable) and just simply letting people know that there is an issue in some states with the Excelsior program.
Oh, and questioning why it took his girlfriend 6 years to get her degree....that's her business. Some people don't have the luxury to go full time (finances, hectic life, kids, whatever). Who cares how long it took her...she did it and her perseverence paid off (she got her degree) but is having a heck of a time getting a job in Cali based on where she attended school.
It might be that when she enrolled in the program (six years ago) that Cali allowed Excelsior degrees but during that time they changed it. Who knows? Not I! And it's not like a FOR PROFIT school is necessarily going to give the student a heads up about the change either.
So why am "I" taking up for the OP? I feel for him (and her). Also, back in the early 90's I attended a legal assisting program that lied about their accreditation and ended up closing their doors before I finished my program. Credits could not be transferred, had to pay back federal student loans a few years later, no job as a result. I was 19 years old (the word "accredited" wasn't in my vocabulary). I was told by the school that they were legit. As it turned out, the school re-opened a year later, pulled the same stunt (collecting a bunch of fees) and closing their doors again. This time, my home state of Oregon investigated, found out it was the same married couple who kept pulling this stunt and they were barred from ever opening a school in Oregon again. Sucks that I still had to pay back the Federal student loan but oh well.
To the OP--I feel for you and your girlfriend. I wonder if she got "Grandfathere'd" in by the state of CA and that's why she got her degree, but the hospitals she is interviewing with don't realize that she got Grandfathere'd in and they are going off of the most current info (that Cali doesn't recognize Excelsior as an accredited school of nursing). Either have her clue them in or simply don't mention where she graduated during an interview unless specifically asked. Failing all of that...explore options that other posters have suggested (VA, corrections, etc). And worst case scenario....relocate to a state that is cool with Excelsior.
Best of luck to you! And for those who gave the whole "we're not getting the whole story" line and being like "WHY did it take her SIX years get her degree"? That's just plain rude and shows an absolute lack of compassion.
Thank you for posting this. I normally won't even read something this long but you have made some excellent points and hearing more sides to each story is why I love open forums. That said I'm standing by my post. As a grown woman, Mother and nursing professional I doubt she needs boyfriend to "take up for her" here. Just my two cents though. | | Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 11 |
Mar 17, 2009, 11:35 AM
Re: Warning - excelsior students
Sorry that this is happening but that is not the norm kinda situation. EC is an accreditaded program and they have a great reputation in most states. I live in NC and just graduated from EC and all three hospitals that I interviewed with has given me a full-time job offer. They love EC and give me alot respect for passing their rigourous program. Sadly, you live in the most controversal state(CA) that will not bend for EC. EC is not a worthless degree! They are well known all over the country. You have managers who love them or hate them. I have yet to be questioned about their worthiness. I hope she keeps trying and get a job. The recession may have something to do with alot of jobs scaling back. EC was the best thing that has every happened to me. The degree is priceless and worth all the blood sweat and tears it took me to get it.
I think future students that look into the EC program should definetly do their homework. EC is not accepted in a few states and some states require additional hours. Keep us posted on her progress. I really hope it all works out in the end.
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Mar 19, 2009, 01:10 AM
Re: Warning - excelsior students There is no reason whatsoever that a Associates degree from EC should cost that much money ...unless she chose the middle man a publishing company...then sue is right on target and she did not do her homework....Its been almost 6 years since CA stopped accepting EC grads she must have just made the cut off or something....
Ok as far as the CPNE if you are not prepared for this test expect to fail it...You cant just walk in a take it regardless of your background.
Excelsior is up front front about the issues with CA and other states that have limitations....Another point that if she had done her homework then should would have been well aware of these as well...It is not up to EC to work with the CA board of nursing....The CA board of nursing makes the decisions what type of programs they will accept for initial licensure EC wont change their program to make CA happy...
To all students out there in EC land...Make sure your state will accept EC for initial licensure that is the most important thing to do....When it becomes your CPNE time give months and months of dedicated time to this test. Know that it is not clinicals but a evaluation of your skills and your ability to learn the way EC setsforth...Do your homework and know what you are getting into ..This is not necessarily the easy way to the RN license... Originally Posted by robertjankowski Warning to all Excelsior students- I want all potential and current students to know what happened to my girlfriend. Take it for what its worth. My girlfriend was a California Excelsior student for 6 long yrs (worked full time, supported and took care of her 3 kids) . She spent thousands & thousands of dollars for very expensive books, tests (about $200 per test). skills bags ($150), dvd ($130) , flashcards ($25), audio cd ($25), workshop ($700), and the OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive and outrageously easy to fail CPNE (the 3 day clinical examination that must be passed to receive your RN degree). She failed the first CPNE (as way more than half do). That meant another $1800 to retake that. Of course, there were airline tickets (about $500 per trip x 2), hotels (about $450 per CPNE) and car rentals ($250 per trip). All together she spent close to $20,000 to obtain what is essentially a worthless degree. Not one of the 14 hospitals she contacted would hire her when she told them she was an Excelsior graduate. Are you hearing me? NOT ONE. So, when they tell you they're accredited, yada,yada,yada - remember it doesn't mean you can get a job. She tried to enroll in 3 regular, legit college programs. They all refused her because she already had her degree and RN license. So now, she can't even do that. Excelsior knew years ago there was a problem. They had the opportunity to work with the Ca Board of Registered Nursing. They didn't. If you don't believe me - go to their site. Type in 'Excelsior' and see for yourself. Also, go to Georgia's nursing website. See the problems there. Nurses are being denied jobs because they're Excelsior graduates!!! Don't let this happen to you. Go to a respected and accepted college. | | No. 17 |
Mar 19, 2009, 05:45 PM
Re: Warning - excelsior students
It's tough when she goes through all that and then not finding a position she wants. Sometimes you may have to start out in an area/field just to get experience in your pocket before you move on to the things you really want. So try other avenues besides hospitals. Also, it may be her approach during the interview process.
I had interviewed someone at work and when I saw excelsior on his resume I comented "oh, I see you went through excelsior" I could see panic in his eyes and then he started to tell me with a red face all the good things about excelsior and on and on and started getting into a defensive mode. If I didn't know about excelsior and actually going through the program myself his actions may have been a red flag during the interview. I then told him I just said the name I didn't ask a question, I didn't say anything bad etc... that he needed to take a breath and calm down. I know interviews can be stressful so if they ask about EC be confident but not defensive.
| | No. 18 |
Mar 19, 2009, 08:51 PM
Re: Warning - excelsior students
Why would he log into here just to make things up?...I believe him...lots of schools ares shams....my bigger worry is someone who got their RN in 6 months???????
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