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No. 1160
Old Apr 16, 2009, 10:00 PM

Ambulance Re: GA BON no longer accepting Excelsior education; Speak up Cont. Updates!!
Hi jjcnbg I am a long time Paramedic, and although I live on the opposite coast Calif. I to struggled with the decision between a traditional school and Excelsior College. I to love the expanded scope of practice that being a paramedic brought and wanted to pursue an advanced practice path. My husband and I did a cost analysis(he is really type A LOL) and Excelsior was cheaper in the long run because I would either of had to go part time or quit the job entirely to attend a traditional program. My problem is I Loved being a Paramedic and did not want to quit EMS to be an RN I wanted my experience to complement my experience as a Paramedic. Excelsior was able to work around the crazy EMS career. I became a Flight Paramedic 3 years ago and loved it. I couldn't believe that i got paid to fly in a helicopter LOL. That experience was so tremendous for so many reasons but it really showed me what opportunities being a nurse could be. I am now an RN and work in an NICU and am maintaining my EMT-P license. Since I started in the nicu I am amazed at the Autonomy, scope of practice and opportunity this job presents me. I to was worried about the possibilities that attending Exclesior College would limit me, in getting a job, getting a job in a place I would want to work, advancing my self passed an ADN RN. And the only thing I have found is that I am only limited by the things I let limit me. UCLA will accept my degree for NP, with lots more experience I can be a flight nurse, and I have played with the idea of being a CRNA. I think that you will be suprised how many contacts you have as a Paramedic and that will definitely help you in getting a job after you are done with rn school. I wish you luck in any avenue you choose. I am so jealous that you get to ride around in an ambulance I miss going code 3 a lot. Good Luck.
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No. 1161
from jjcnbg
Old Apr 17, 2009, 04:44 AM

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Helicoptergal,

I see on your profile it shows you being a paramedic for 10 years and a RN for 2 months. How are you able to practice in CA? Did you do all the schooling before they changed the rules or did you find a backdoor into that state? That NICU job sounds great. Short of "advanced practice" careers I really want to be an ICU nurse. That was my favorite floor during clinical rotations. People tend to think Paramedic=ER but I found the ICU to be a better fit. You get the chance to take 1 or 2 patients and really dig deep into their care and the nature of their illness. In addition, as a nurse you actually get to participate in the patients long term care instead of just stabilizing them, dropping them off, and forever wondering what their outcome was.

On a different note I noticed that HB 475 was transported to the Governor's office on April 14. I don't know how long it takes him to sign things but I would imagine we will be seeing this as law very soon. Then it will be interesting to see what "interpretations" the board makes. I am still curious if the preceptorship will be facilitated or hang out there as another barrier with no way of completing it.
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No. 1162
from RN34TX
Old Apr 19, 2009, 05:31 AM

Default Re: GA BON no longer accepting Excelsior education; Speak up Cont. Updates!!
Originally Posted by jjcnbg View Post
My concern is that once I get through Excelsior more and more states may exclude Excelsior grads and that I would not be able to get into a graduate program.
The issue here is with that state boards of nursing, not individual colleges/universities. They are two different entities.

If you have the degree they want and an RN license in at least one state, there should be no issue.
After my ADN with Excelsior, I got my BSN from the University of Texas and believe it or not, the independent study format of Excelsior makes you look like a really good candidate for BSN or grad school. This is because RN to BSN and grad school programs are a lot more independent and they want to make sure that you do not need to be spoon fed.

I could now get into any NP or other MSN program in Texas with no questions asked. Yes CRNA school is a lot more competitive and a different animal so I can't speak to that except:

Last year I went to the critical care conference in Chicago (NTI) and spoke with representatives of a big CRNA school in Florida that has multiple campuses throughout the state. They more than welcomed EC grads as long as they had the critical care experience to back it up, which is the same standard for CRNA school no matter where you got your RN.
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No. 1163
Old Apr 19, 2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RN34TX View Post
the independent study format of Excelsior makes you look like a really good candidate for BSN or grad school. This is because RN to BSN and grad school programs are a lot more independent and they want to make sure that you do not need to be spoon fed.
It was exactly for this reason that I was accepted for the MSN-DrNP program at both Duke and Johns Hopkins. It was the one thing that set me aside from the other 4.00's who applied--the fact that I'm a Regents College (Excelsior) graduate.
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No. 1164
from gemini79
Old Apr 20, 2009, 09:06 AM

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Is the board meeting this week?
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No. 1165
from jjcnbg
Old Apr 20, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Thanks for all the great feedback.

RN34TX - I realize that the states and universities are a separate issue however they kind of get rolled together for me when it comes to CRNA schools. With my wife's position I would need to apply to programs close to home. In speaking with these programs, especially UT - Chattanooga, where clinicals are held in multiple states I would have a problem if one of the states did not recognize degree. So at first I had the problem of not being able to apply to GA programs because of GA wouldn't except excelsior. Now I would have to worry about the surrounding states (TN, AL, SC, etc...) deciding to jump on this anti-Excelsior bandwagon. If that happens then I have problems with not being able to complete clinical time because the state of the clinical site won't recognize my license.

On a side note, one of my fellow medics just completed his CPNE over at Grady last week. It was quite humbling listening to his story. It is almost enough to scare you away hearing about the process. Although he failed two stations the first day he went on to ace the rest of it. The two he got snagged on were such minor almost subjective things but they don't give an inch on that evaluation.

Good luck to all and again thanks for the feedback.
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No. 1166
Old Apr 20, 2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jjcnbg View Post
Helicoptergal,

I see on your profile it shows you being a paramedic for 10 years and a RN for 2 months. How are you able to practice in CA? Did you do all the schooling before they changed the rules or did you find a backdoor into that state?
I was wondering about that too. Is there a loophole (sorry can't think of a better word) as I have many medic friends who would love nothing more than to do Regents--all of which are here in California. I became an RN before the BON started discriminating against Regents/Excelsior graduates.
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No. 1167
Old Apr 20, 2009, 01:21 PM

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I see on your profile it shows you being a paramedic for 10 years and a RN for 2 months. How are you able to practice in CA? Did you do all the schooling before they changed the rules or did you find a backdoor into that state?

Hi Friends, I began my education with Excelsior College(EC) in August 2003, the cut off date for being "grandfathered" into California was 12/03. Being "grandfathered" meant that as long as you were enrolled in EC prior to the 12/03 concurrently enrolled in EC without any lapses in enrollment that you would be licensed in California. There were no clinical hours attached to that. I know of no loopholes or short cuts, because believe me the ingenuity of your Paramedic friends would have figured it out. The only thing I can think of is get licensed out of state in Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, or Nevada work a couple of years and then hope California will recognize the out of state Licensure. Or get Licensed out of State and work for the Veterans Hospital there are many through California. I did not expedite getting my RN from EC it took me 5 years to complete the program. I chose to completely pursue my Paramedic career, I loved being a Paramedic, and hope to pick up per diem eventually. I hope that answers your ??. Good luck to all of you!
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No. 1168
from CraigB-RN
Old Apr 20, 2009, 02:28 PM

Default Re: GA BON no longer accepting Excelsior education; Speak up Cont. Updates!!
Originally Posted by jjcnbg View Post
Thanks for all the great feedback.

RN34TX - I realize that the states and universities are a separate issue however they kind of get rolled together for me when it comes to CRNA schools. With my wife's position I would need to apply to programs close to home. In speaking with these programs, especially UT - Chattanooga, where clinicals are held in multiple states I would have a problem if one of the states did not recognize degree. So at first I had the problem of not being able to apply to GA programs because of GA wouldn't except excelsior. Now I would have to worry about the surrounding states (TN, AL, SC, etc...) deciding to jump on this anti-Excelsior bandwagon. If that happens then I have problems with not being able to complete clinical time because the state of the clinical site won't recognize my license.

On a side note, one of my fellow medics just completed his CPNE over at Grady last week. It was quite humbling listening to his story. It is almost enough to scare you away hearing about the process. Although he failed two stations the first day he went on to ace the rest of it. The two he got snagged on were such minor almost subjective things but they don't give an inch on that evaluation.

Good luck to all and again thanks for the feedback.
First keep in mind that the BANS aren't total bans. At least here in GA if your a working nurse you can get a licenese here. And you'd have to be a working nurse to even be considered for CRNA school. So all the sates aroudn Chattanooga will give you a license. You may have to jump through hoops.
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No. 1169
from jjcnbg
Old Apr 20, 2009, 04:04 PM

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Isn't California, Virginia, and now I believe Texas total bans? I was under the impression that unless you got in before the deadlines in these states that even as a working nurse you could not get your license in these states with an Excelsior degree. I am pretty sure this was going to be the case for Georgia before we had the legislation pushed through. I know I need to be a working nurse for CRNA school. As I said before I really want to be an ICU nurse due to some excellent experiences I have had in the ICU during paramedic school. The CRNA position is just a future goal that I would like to work towards, again due to excellent experiences I have had working with the CRNA's during my time as a Paramedic.

I may be mistaken but this was my understanding of how all the legislation against Excelsior worked. If I am incorrect I am sorry but that is why I am here in this forum to learn.
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