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from awsmfun
Old Mar 25, 2009, 10:09 PM

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Do these rulings by the BON really surprise you? Nurses are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot! Are they implementing these new policies because of a number of pt safety issues or deaths or because they can't think outside the box???

I'm an Excelsior grad myself!
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No. 11
from KW_TX
Old Mar 26, 2009, 01:20 AM

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As much as I hate to say it....I am glad Texas BON is doing what they are. I live in Texas and am about to graduate from a BSN program here and honestly I would be worried about an new RN who is expected to really know assessment and have clinical judgement who had NO CLINICAL experience in school. I believe that clinicals are essential to developing sound clinical judgement and to just becoming a safe nurse. Even though Excelsior grads may pass the NCLEX like other RN's...answering questions on a test and actually being in a clinical situation are 2 different things in my opinion. If I were you...I would work on transfering to a program that has clinicals and is more respected whether its ADN or BSN. That would probably be the safest route. Good luck to you!
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Old Mar 26, 2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by karaelaine View Post
As much as I hate to say it....I am glad Texas BON is doing what they are. I live in Texas and am about to graduate from a BSN program here and honestly I would be worried about an new RN who is expected to really know assessment and have clinical judgement who had NO CLINICAL experience in school. I believe that clinicals are essential to developing sound clinical judgement and to just becoming a safe nurse. Even though Excelsior grads may pass the NCLEX like other RN's...answering questions on a test and actually being in a clinical situation are 2 different things in my opinion. If I were you...I would work on transfering to a program that has clinicals and is more respected whether its ADN or BSN. That would probably be the safest route. Good luck to you!
You can't get accepted into Excelsior's program without significant educational clinical experience. Period. Feel free to research this, because you don't want to stand by this post that will ruffle some darned good nurses' feathers here.
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No. 13
from awsmfun
Old Mar 26, 2009, 02:45 AM
Updated Mar 26, 2009 at 03:14 AM by awsmfun

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Originally Posted by karaelaine View Post
As much as I hate to say it....I am glad Texas BON is doing what they are. I live in Texas and am about to graduate from a BSN program here and honestly I would be worried about an new RN who is expected to really know assessment and have clinical judgement who had NO CLINICAL experience in school. I believe that clinicals are essential to developing sound clinical judgement and to just becoming a safe nurse. Even though Excelsior grads may pass the NCLEX like other RN's...answering questions on a test and actually being in a clinical situation are 2 different things in my opinion. If I were you...I would work on transfering to a program that has clinicals and is more respected whether its ADN or BSN. That would probably be the safest route. Good luck to you!
You really don't understand Excelsior's RN program. You have to have your clinical experience BEFORE you go into the program. You just can't walk in and take a written test and qualify for the NCLEX. Before I graduated from Excelsior I was a CNA, a medical assistant, an EMT, a Paramedic, Licensed Midwife Apprentice and LVN. The program was perfect for me as I had LOTS of clinical hours--more than you would ever see in a RN program. Excelsior also has a VERY TOUGH testing clinical in a hospital with pts. It is not a learning clinical but a real, repeat demo on all nursing skills. The 3 days that I took my testing clinical only 3 out of 7 who tested actually passed! (I did!) It would be interesting to see a study that showed problems with Excelsior grads vis traditional RN program grads. I've also never seen any headlines screaming Excelsior grad involved in a medmal case or had been implicated in a death or serious medical event. If there were problems with Excelsior grads the program would have been shut down years ago. They are also NLN accredited.

LOL! A "more respected" program. Hospitals want new grads to have warm bodies, they don't even look were they graduated from! If the BON will take someone from another country that graduated from who knows where, then they should take Excelsior grads.

The last time I talked to Excelsior I think, if I recall right, they said they graduate more RN's per year than any other program.
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Old Mar 26, 2009, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by awsmom8 View Post
The last time I talked to Excelsior I think, if I recall right, they said they graduate more RN's per year than any other program.
It's because the program is huge and not because they let everyone pass. (I know you know this, but for anyone else who doesn't...) I believe it's the largest nursing program in the US.
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Old Mar 26, 2009, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by applescruffette View Post
It's because the program is huge and not because they let everyone pass. (I know you know this, but for anyone else who doesn't...) I believe it's the largest nursing program in the US.
There will be some who will insist on the incorrect assumption here. These threads just turn into the dead horse scenario.
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from awsmfun
Old Mar 26, 2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by caliotter3 View Post
There will be some who will insist on the incorrect assumption here. These threads just turn into the dead horse scenario.
Here you go caliotter!
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No. 17
from caliotter3
Old Mar 26, 2009, 04:22 AM

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awsmom Now that't what I call a good, informative post!!! In keeping with the treatment of the topic!!!
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No. 18
from caliotter3
Old Mar 26, 2009, 04:23 AM

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Hmmm. That's kind of cute.
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No. 19
from Jo Dirt
Old Mar 26, 2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by awsmom8 View Post
You really don't understand Excelsior's RN program. You have to have your clinical experience BEFORE you go into the program.
This isn't true. It should be, but it isn't. This was the point I tried to make in a previous post. The program is set up for experienced nurses and RTs, but anyone can go straight from an LPN program (or even sooner, if it is an RN program) and into EC.

Originally Posted by awsmom8 View Post
LOL! A "more respected" program. Hospitals want new grads to have warm bodies, they don't even look were they graduated from! The last time I talked to Excelsior I think, if I recall right, they said they graduate more RN's per year than any other program.
This isn't necessarily true, either. I applied for a job and during the interview the NM had a lot of reservations about hiring me because I was an EC graduate. Not because she was a snotty elitist, but she was genuinely concerned about my skill level.

I still have mixed feelings about EC. I never would have gone through it if I had the opportunity to go to an on-campus program, but I'm glad there was an opportunity to become an RN when there would have been no other way. I had too many family obligations to go to a regular school.
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