Will you work during a Pandemic? - page 30

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  1. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from Tweety
    I'd make a mask out of a pillow case or sheet and live dangerously and show up and work. If it's that desparate, I'll show up. I have no kids or family to worry about, am in great health with no pre-existing problems, and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't find a way to help.
    I'd be right there alongside ya, Tweety. Although I have an older sister and grandkids, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't pitch in and help out where I'm needed, health problems or no. I've already told my family that if this swine-flu thing does turn out to be the big kahuna, that they will have to hunker down and wait things out because I'll be out there taking care of those who can't take care of themselves. There's no martyrdom in that.......I'm just a nurse!
  2. by   astn
    Quote from SquirrelRN71
    It's this "martyr" mentality that has done bad things to the nursing profession. Drag all the managers and nursing administration out and have them work. I just know I will not be showing up unless I have adequate PPE and have been vaccinated, if one is available.
    I agree regarding the managers and administration, they should be out there just as much as anyone else. I disagree about the "martyr mentality." I can completely understand if someone isn't willing to (potentially) sacrifice themselves (which is why I said I don't think -I- would deserve the job on a good day if -I- weren't willing to work on the bad) but I think calling it a "martyr mentality" demeans the sacrifices that others have made in the past. Sometimes there is no more meaning, no greater nobility, then just 'doing your job,' in an impossible situation, doing the best you can even at the greatest risk. There's no shame in protecting yourself or your family in the same situation, it's just a matter of what you can live with, but I don't feel it's justified to put negative connotations on something that could not be -more- selfless.

    I think my response is a bit too sharp, but after a couple rewrites, I don't know how to improve it. This topic (and some of the responses) made me think of 9/11. I was a firefighter in Philadelphia then, and I knew a few guys with FDNY who died that day. I can't -imagine- that if I were with FDNY 10 Truck that day, the Rescue, or anything else... I would have been doing anything other then climbing stairs. Even knowing that building was going to come down. I wasn't there, so it wasn't my choice to make, but they did. And with role models like that, with those shoes to fill .. I can't imagine -not- going into a situation where I could do some good, no matter what the cost. "We do these things, that others may live." (it's the motto of the Air Force Pararescue. I've never been, but I heard it and it stuck with me.)

    I apologize for the possibly sanctimonious attitude, there is no insult intended to anyone, regardless of what they'd do--it's an individual decision.
  3. by   libnat
    Take this job and shove it, I ain't working here no more.
  4. by   pagandeva2000
    Quote from SquirrelRN71
    It's this "martyr" mentality that has done bad things to the nursing profession. Drag all the managers and nursing administration out and have them work. I just know I will not be showing up unless I have adequate PPE and have been vaccinated, if one is available.

    I agree with you. I am sorely disappointed with my job right now. I live in New York and work 2-3 miles away from the school that is directly affected with swine flu. I work in a clinic, and heard that there are two patients in the ER that are being treated for this right now. While we did get an email memo, no one from infection control called a general meeting with the nurses and physicians to further update us and share how we can protect ourselves and our families in case it does become pandemic.

    We are not animals. And most of us choose not to be martyrs (and have a right not to be). At least share with us how we can be protected and share what contigency plans will be made to help us. I mean, they are saying on television that we have to remain home in order to not expose others, but who do we call? How can we get help? I mean, there will not be housecalls, I am sure, so, enlighten us! If they can't do that, I can't see risking my life!
  5. by   911fltrn
    I would not work. Not a single co worker in the er i work in said they would come in. I have been asking all of them the last couple of days. By the way single or family no difference. Im single and surely not going to risk my life for my job. I had enough of that when i was a Marine.


    If you could see my hospitals ER schedule, you wont find my name on it in the near future.

    To the brave or foolish who will work May god bless you!

    Besides I believe once if ones say that they would continue to work see a co-worker die, they will not show up no matter what they say in a online poll.
    Last edit by 911fltrn on Apr 29, '09
  6. by   HippyGreenPeaceChick
    I was with the Marines as a Corpsman. I would work. I would not hesitate. The greatest fear here is the fear that the combined news agencies are so dramatically trying to drum up for their ratings and their jobs. I refuse to live in or respond to trumped up fears from the news agencies. Semper Fi
  7. by   Multicollinearity
    For those who say they would not work, who do you expect to take care of you or a loved one if you or that loved one need to be on a ventilator?
  8. by   Purple_Scrubs
    Someone with appropriate PPE. If none are available, I would never ask a healthcare provider to risk their own life to save mine.
  9. by   Multicollinearity
    True, everyone should have PPE.
  10. by   Bugaloo
    Considering the way most of us are treated when there is NOT a pandemic, why should I risk my life to go to work without PPE to protect me?

    I have a family that depends on me for an income, which I cannot earn if I am dead.

    AND the government is going to demand that I work? I. Don't. Think. So!

    :angryfire
  11. by   rockenmomRN
    i would go in if and only if my family could be guaranteed imediate care by my hospital if they were infected b/c i came to work. and i'm talking presidential level of care. if i'm willing to put my life on the line then i would need in writing that my husband and sons would be taken care of. the way i look at it is that their lives are just as important as anyone i would be taking care of. And if i died their futures would have to be provided for.

    i'm no florence nightengale, i've never claimed it. i went into nursing for scheduling, money and job security. i love what i do and am good at it, but i'm also a realist. i have a 6yr old with asthma, if he so much as gets the sniffles it seems to settle into his lungs.

    i agree with others who have said, i hope the health department and cdc are listening/reading these threads, but i doubt it.
    Last edit by rockenmomRN on Apr 29, '09 : Reason: for spelling and to not sound so b!&%^y
  12. by   rockenmomRN
    just noticed that the majority of people who voted on the pole said they would go to work, yet in going through all these posting; there are only a handful that say they would go. in fact the overwhelming majority is that they wouldn't go to work.
  13. by   csw5048
    Of Course I would work! But let's straighten out the scenario a bit first. I work in Public Health. After 9/11, the government gave out a lot of money to set up emergency preparedness plans in each state and county. I am the first to admit, that it did not work well during Hurricaine Katrina..... However that was not all due to poor planning, but stupid politics or should I say politicians! There was help waiting to be let into the city, but the mayor did not want to authorize it and the govenor did not want to step on any toes so HE did not authorize help either.
    Anyway a lot was learned from that fiasco. I know for a fact that in our county, we have an ample supply of PPE's because that is what we bought with some of the money and stockpiled it. We have a plan for dispensing antivirals, vaccine and PPE's, that includes making sure that the families of health care workers are amoung the first to receive vaccine (if available) or other prophylactic medications. The people that made the plans realize that nurses ( and ancillary support persons) will be concerned with the safety and health of their own families first. So that was written into the plan. While Public Health has been severely underpaid and understaffed, we continue to place the best interest of the community first. We all have our job to do in case of a Pandemic and we are willing to do it.
    I can only hope and pray that others will feel the same way.

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