Vaccine Conspiracy Theorists More Likely To See Conspiracy Everywhere - page 5

"Where do climate change deniers, anti-GMO activists, and vaccine conspiracy theorists overlap one another? According to a recent study, described in Mother Jones, they seem to triangulate on a... Read More

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    Quote from EveUnderConstruction
    I can't take anything seriously until they take Mr Burzynski seriously...and if you would really like to know , the lengths the conspiracy ,,,,,
    You are the naive one. You seem to be naive to politics .....and how powerful the powers that be are.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnZQqH8tRM0
    Burzynski Clinic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I think I will pass on Dr. Burzynski too. What he does is completely unethical. This is the modern equivalent of Tuskegee Syphilis experiments.
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    double post
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    Why is Burznski doing trials right now? After decades of false legal trials, they had to let him go. His name defamed, over patent rights. He was investigated to the fullest and yet he's still doing his thing. I'm sure they're just waiting for him to die ...he's pretty old. I would love to work for him .
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    Why is Burznski doing trials right now? After decades of false legal trials, they had to let him go. His name defamed, over patent rights. He was investigated to the fullest and yet he's still doing his thing. I'm sure they're just waiting for him to die ...he's pretty old. I would love to work for him .
    What Dr. Burznski does is unethical and barely considered legal. There has been absolutely no scientific proof that any of his treatments work. These treatment have caused many patients to delay getting proven cancer treatments in favor of his false treatments that do nothing but line his pockets with money.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...versy/2994561/
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    Regarding the vaccine/autism link, hasn't that been completely disproved multiple times?
    As far as I know, the research available has multiple issues, including massive CoIs on the part of one of the researchers. Apparently he absconded with a million or two of CDC money. That sounds pretty conspiratorial, but it's no theory.

    I'm also pretty sure that vulnerable populations have never been studied. Nor have unvaccinated populations. The reason I was always told was because both such endeavors would be considered "unethical". I'm also unaware of any studies that looked at the schedule as a whole. But maybe you're right.

    Quote from T-Bird78
    Autism is a horrible thing to deal with and we need to find a cure or preventative measure for it, but it's not vaccines despite what Jenny McCarthy says. Oh, that's right, she "cured" her son's Autism by switching him to a gluten-free diet. Oh, never mind, he never had autism to begin with.
    If he was misdiagnosed, that would be the fault of the clinician, not his mom. The possibility that McCarthy's child had LKS was raised 4 years ago, and could very well be the case now.

    There are papers and studies that show a supportive link between the elimination of gluten from a diet and improvements in behavior, secondary to physiological issues or otherwise.

    Quote from T-Bird78
    There is such a HUGE range that falls under the autism spectrum and better screening for it, that's why it seems so prevalent.
    Discounting that this has been dispelled by the likes of the Director of the NIMH and at least one other study that currently escapes me, your above claim would seem to support McCarthy's child didn't have autism in the first place and was misdiagnosed, or instead, lumped in the autism big-top. Which is it?
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    Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses Thinking Person's Guide to Autism: Vaccine Safety: A Conversation With Dr. Paul Offit There is no link between autism and vaccines, and yes studies have looked at children before and after MMR vaccinations especially in children who did not follow the recommended vaccine schedules.

    By the way if you are going to state there are credible scientific peer-reviewed studies to support your point of view then you should post them. Complementary, holistic, and integrative medicin... [Pediatr Rev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI There hasn't been scientific proof that a gluten free diet will help with ASD.

    In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise.

    Jenny McCarthy is delusional. Anyone that can afford to spend millions of dollars on their child for intensive 1 on 1 therapy sessions in OT/PT/ST and various other therapies with a child that has ASD is going to have better outcomes than someone that cannot spend that amount time and therapy with a child that has mild to moderate ASD.
    CDC Features - New Data on Autism Spectrum Disorders
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    Quote from wtbcrna
    Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses Thinking Person's Guide to Autism: Vaccine Safety: A Conversation With Dr. Paul Offit There is no link between autism and vaccines, and yes studies have looked at children before and after MMR vaccinations especially in children who did not follow the recommended vaccine schedules.
    Again with Offit. I'm confused, is he a pediatrician, vaccine multimillionaire, autism expert or all of the above. Is this a redirection to avoid anything about the validity of the Danish studies Thorsen had a hand in directing?

    I don't remember saying anything specifically about MMR. I do remember mentioning the lack of any studies examining the entire schedule or vaccinated/unvaccinated populations. Surely you saw that? So why bring MMR into the onversation?

    Quote from wtbcrna
    By the way if you are going to state there are credible scientific peer-reviewed studies to support your point of view then you should post them. Complementary, holistic, and integrative medicin... [Pediatr Rev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI There hasn't been scientific proof that a gluten free diet will help with ASD.
    Ok, I will once I have time to read over the papers in earnest, but a simple search of PubMed brings numerous abstracts that mention it is helpful in behaviors in autism, which is what I stated. Not sure how that wouldn't help an ASD kiddo.

    Quote from wtbcrna
    In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise.
    You do know that the numbers for ASD prevalence are based on cohorts which are at least 4 years old when they are reported, right? Not sure what purpose that non-sequitur had here. Are you saying vaccines could cure/prevent ASD?

    Quote from wtbcrna
    Jenny McCarthy is delusional. Anyone that can afford to spend millions of dollars on their child for intensive 1 on 1 therapy sessions in OT/PT/ST and various other therapies with a child that has ASD is going to have better outcomes than someone that cannot spend that amount time and therapy with a child that has mild to moderate ASD.
    CDC Features - New Data on Autism Spectrum Disorders
    Again, I am confused by this response. While the benefits of early intervention and therapies has long been established, there is no one-for-all approach. I also don't understand the purpose of the CDC link. Was it in response to my taking issue with the myth that better diagnosis and expanded criteria is responsible for the rise?
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    Again with Offit. I'm confused, is he a pediatrician, vaccine multimillionaire, autism expert or all of the above. Is this a redirection to avoid anything about the validity of the Danish studies Thorsen had a hand in directing?

    I don't remember saying anything specifically about MMR. I do remember mentioning the lack of any studies examining the entire schedule or vaccinated/unvaccinated populations. Surely you saw that? So why bring MMR into the onversation?



    Ok, I will once I have time to read over the papers in earnest, but a simple search of PubMed brings numerous abstracts that mention it is helpful in behaviors in autism, which is what I stated. Not sure how that wouldn't help an ASD kiddo.



    You do know that the numbers for ASD prevalence are based on cohorts which are at least 4 years old when they are reported, right? Not sure what purpose that non-sequitur had here. Are you saying vaccines could cure/prevent ASD?



    Again, I am confused by this response. While the benefits of early intervention and therapies has long been established, there is no one-for-all approach. I also don't understand the purpose of the CDC link. Was it in response to my taking issue with the myth that better diagnosis and expanded criteria is responsible for the rise?
    Paul Offit is a pediatrician, infectious disease expert, and vaccine expert and has decades of education/research in all of those subjects. Autism was brought up and ASD is most commonly associated with MMR vaccination. It has been proven with or without vaccinations that ASD rates are the same.

    And gluten free diets through meta-analysis/literature reviews have not panned out in CS patients. You are not reviewing articles you are simply looking at abstracts which is often misleading. And again if you think they are pertinent articles then you should post them.

    I am saying there is no link between vaccines and autism. I think that is pretty plain.

    Provide some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to debate. You haven't provided anything of substance to debate that has not been disproven over and over again.
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    Paul Offit is a pediatrician, infectious disease expert, and vaccine expert and has decades of education/research in all of those subjects.
    Really? He has decades of education and research on autism? Can you show me something to substantiate that? Has he ever even treated an individual with autism?

    Quote from wtbcrna
    Autism was brought up and ASD is most commonly associated with MMR vaccination. It has been proven with or without vaccinations that ASD rates are the same.
    Indeed it is, but I was not talking about it. Maybe one day we can. Feel free to discuss what I mentioned. Or don't. Either way, fine by me.

    Quote from wtbcrna
    And gluten free diets through meta-analysis/literature reviews have not panned out in CS patients. You are not reviewing articles you are simply looking at abstracts which is often misleading. And again if you think they are pertinent articles then you should post them.
    Abstracts can be misleading, which is why I said I would try to take the time to read a few full studies when I had the time. Sorry I haven't had the time yet. I'll get on it as soon as I can. Promise.

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    I am saying there is no link between vaccines and autism. I think that is pretty plain.
    No, you weren't pretty plain, hence my question. Your statement reflected a clear lack of knowledge concerning how the CDC collects its data on the autism prevalence numbers. Unless you are referring to some sort of data that says vaccine compliance was in decline in say 2002 (with relation to the latest numbers), your statement of "In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise" is woefully ignorant of the process. Do I have to provide peer-review science to back that up or is your deliberate dodge of that factoid as close to an admission of being wrong on something I should ever expect to receive from you?


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    Provide some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to debate. You haven't provided anything of substance to debate that has not been disproven over and over again.
    Would you like me to link to something that states that the increase cannot be fully attributable to better diagnosis? Because I'm pretty sure that's the only claim I've made.

    Here's Thomas Insel's commentary:

    NIMH - Autism Prevalence: More Affected or More Detected?

    You can link to the studies referenced at the bottom of the page and have a ball with them if you're so inclined.
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    Really? He has decades of education and research on autism? Can you show me something to substantiate that? Has he ever even treated an individual with autism?



    Indeed it is, but I was not talking about it. Maybe one day we can. Feel free to discuss what I mentioned. Or don't. Either way, fine by me.



    Abstracts can be misleading, which is why I said I would try to take the time to read a few full studies when I had the time. Sorry I haven't had the time yet. I'll get on it as soon as I can. Promise.



    No, you weren't pretty plain, hence my question. Your statement reflected a clear lack of knowledge concerning how the CDC collects its data on the autism prevalence numbers. Unless you are referring to some sort of data that says vaccine compliance was in decline in say 2002 (with relation to the latest numbers), your statement of "In general vaccines administration to children in the United States has gone down and ASD diagnosis has continued to rise" is woefully ignorant of the process. Do I have to provide peer-review science to back that up or is your deliberate dodge of that factoid as close to an admission of being wrong on something I should ever expect to receive from you?




    Would you like me to link to something that states that the increase cannot be fully attributable to better diagnosis? Because I'm pretty sure that's the only claim I've made.

    Here's Thomas Insel's commentary:

    NIMH - Autism Prevalence: More Affected or More Detected?

    You can link to the studies referenced at the bottom of the page and have a ball with them if you're so inclined.
    I never stated he was an expert on Autism, but Offit is a pediatrician and I am sure he has treated more than his fair share of autistic children. It is nearly impossible to be in the healthcare field and not treat an autistic child.

    The author states, "[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif]Our working assumption is that there are both more children affected and more detected.". I do believe this is possible even though there isn't any current research that can say for sure that this true, and there probably will not be until we know exactly what things can and do cause ASD.
    [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif]There still isn't one peer-reviewed scientific article that has shown that vaccines are attributable an increase in ASD.
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    I never stated he was an expert on Autism, but Offit is a pediatrician and I am sure he has treated more than his fair share of autistic children. It is nearly impossible to be in the healthcare field and not treat an autistic child.
    As big a fan of his that you care, I would think that you'd be able to reference something in one of his books, particularly the one with "autism" in the title, where he talks about treating kiddos with autism. Does he even practice as a pediatrician anymore?
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    As big a fan of his that you care, I would think that you'd be able to reference something in one of his books, particularly the one with "autism" in the title, where he talks about treating kiddos with autism. Does he even practice as a pediatrician anymore?
    Paul A. Offit | The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Yes, he still works as an infectious disease physician/ pediatrician. Autism's False Prophets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I believe this is the book you are addressing and it is almost solely about the MMR vaccine and autism link myths which I think anyone can say he would be an expert in d/t his formal training and research.


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