So you think flu vaccinations don't work . . . .

  1. 0 Ask the parents of the dozens of children who died from flu this year if they are sorry they didn't get their child vaccinated.

    105 US kids died of flu; most didn't get vaccine
    March 23, 2013

    By MIKE STOBBE
    AP Medical Writer
    NEW YORK (AP) -- The flu season is winding down, and it has killed 105 children so far -- about the average toll. . . . . Roughly 100 children die in an average flu season. One exception was the swine flu pandemic of 2009-2010, when 348 children died.
    . . . All but four of the children who died were old enough to be vaccinated, but 90 percent of them did not get vaccinated, CDC officials said. . . .
    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...nt-get-vaccine
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  3. Visit  morte profile page
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    your point? We can have no idea about underlying disease process, nor genetic issues, from this article.
  4. Visit  Steve123 profile page
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    Big Pharma pays for such kind of spooky articles. If immunocompromized child with CA dies of flu, it does not mean that a flu shot is a solution. Healthy children are not expected to die of flu. On the contrary, they are expected to built up their immune system. Only 105 children die even though some of them were vaccinated? Do you know about serious complication of flu shot? 1 out of 100,000 vaccinated develops GB. There are 55 millions of school age children in US. If you vaccinate all of them you will have 50 + paralyzed children as a result of GB. Plus some of the vaccinated still die of flu. What is the benefit? And do not forget to add preschoolers to those 55 millions... So my conclusion is: risk outweighs benefits. But it is money for Big Pharma.
  5. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    You know, we as people, as parents, and as nurses are all entitled to our opinions. As a parent, I am certainly entitled to make my own informed decision for care regarding my child's health, with my fiance of course.
    What YOU are not entitled to do is to try to make parents feel neglectful or worthless for that choice. As nurses, we can provide information, but the final choice belongs to the patient. You could have simply posted the article, however biased it is, and let people form their conclusions. Your extremely judgmental comment was not necessary.
    amawrigh, chwcbesteph, and barbyann like this.
  6. Visit  KJM-RN profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    You know, we as people, as parents, and as nurses are all entitled to our opinions. As a parent, I am certainly entitled to make my own informed decision for care regarding my child's health, with my fiance of course.
    What YOU are not entitled to do is to try to make parents feel neglectful or worthless for that choice. As nurses, we can provide information, but the final choice belongs to the patient. You could have simply posted the article, however biased it is, and let people form their conclusions. Your extremely judgmental comment was not necessary.
    Very well said 👏
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  7. Visit  MunoRN profile page
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    I would agree that parents have the right to make informed decisions regarding their child's health. "Informed" being the key word. I'm not sure that every decision a parent makes to refuse vaccines could be described as "informed", which makes many of them a bit reckless and therefore deserving of criticism.
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  8. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Well this one is specifically referring to the flu vaccine.
  9. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26

    As a parent, I am certainly entitled to make my own informed decision for care regarding my child's health, with my fiance of course.

    .... the final choice belongs to the patient. .
    One of many ethical problems here lies in the contradiction within your own response. In these cases the choice was not made by the patient, it was made by a proxy.
  10. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    So who then makes the choice? The child who can't understand? I know as a kid I would have chosen anything that avoided a painful shot. Or perhaps the government? Lord knows they always do what is best for the people.
    Other than in real messed up cases, parents want what is best for their child.
  11. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    So who then makes the choice?

    Other than in real messed up cases, parents want what is best for their child.
    The parents, the providers, the government. It really doesn't matter, the ethical concern that providers are faced with remains. A decision needs to be made in proxy.

    I would like to think/hope most parents do want what is best for their kid. Whether all parents actually know and/or do what is best for them is ultimately the concern. Unfortunately, that line of thinking led to 90+ children dying from a virus that could have been (partially) prevented, in this case.

    The waters are further muddied by the principles if herd immunity.
    NRSKarenRN likes this.
  12. Visit  Steve123 profile page
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    Nurses believe sincerely they are professionals. So why to discuss article written on a level of 6th grader which lacks important facts such as preexisting conditions of those who dies of flu. By the way, I noticed every time when really professional articles about medication or diseases are published here. nurses are not interested to discuss it. It looks like that nurses are not professionals, they are just pill pushers, doctors' aide, who believe as if they are professionals.
    chwcbesteph likes this.
  13. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Steve, clearly you have not read many threads on here. Many of them are addressed professionally, if the context is professional. This thread came off as an attack.
  14. Visit  morte profile page
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    again, the vaccine may have served a purpose, maybe not. THERE is no way of knowing if these, very few, children, had underlying health/genetic issues that would have made the vaccine either inappropriate or ineffective. your implying that theses parents all willfully allowed/caused their children to die is insulting.
    Quote from BostonFNP
    The parents, the providers, the government. It really doesn't matter, the ethical concern that providers are faced with remains. A decision needs to be made in proxy.

    I would like to think/hope most parents do want what is best for their kid. Whether all parents actually know and/or do what is best for them is ultimately the concern. Unfortunately, that line of thinking led to 90+ children dying from a virus that could have been (partially) prevented, in this case.

    The waters are further muddied by the principles if herd immunity.

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