Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 10

by BrandybunsRN | 17,263 Views | 132 Comments

While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More


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    I wonder how many people that are against gov't mandated flu shots think Obamacare is a good idea? I am interested to see how big of a hand the gov't will eventually have in health care due to this law. All to save costs of course.
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    It sounds like you have a bit of research to do on vaccines, both the good and the bad. You are very early in your nursing/medical education an you will learn that often there are no ideal solutions to a problem. You need to weigh the benefits and the risks and formulate your plan as best you can. It sounds like you have googled the potential risks of vaccines. Have you googled the benefits? Take a look at the M&M data of infectious diseases in the pediatric population in the past century or in the US vs other countries. Does it also paint a compelling picture?
    BostonFNP,
    how can I justify any so-called good of vaccines if I recall the caveat of First Do No Harm? How can anybody seriously believe injecting Thimerosal, aluminium, proteins, etc into children has no effect? It defies logic.

    I've been balanced examining the so-called good of vaccines. This morning I was researching the Polio vaccine. What I'm finding out is not good. Evidence indicates quite clearly the Polio vaccines historically were responsible for the rise in Polio cases.

    And thats still continuing today. Countries giving their child polio vaccines are responsible for polio outbreaks. 47, 500 cases of Polio paralysis? Hiding Vaccine-Induced Polio In India Hiding Vaccine-Induced Polio In India | Food Freedom News

    And the liar media is saying countries like India are polio free? Bah!
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    Quote from Garethaus
    BostonFNP,
    how can I justify any so-called good of vaccines if I recall the caveat of First Do No Harm? How can anybody seriously believe injecting Thimerosal, aluminium, proteins, etc into children has no effect? It defies logic.

    I've been balanced examining the so-called good of vaccines. This morning I was researching the Polio vaccine. What I'm finding out is not good. Evidence indicates quite clearly the Polio vaccines historically were responsible for the rise in Polio cases.

    And thats still continuing today. Countries giving their child polio vaccines are responsible for polio outbreaks. 47, 500 cases of Polio paralysis? Hiding Vaccine-Induced Polio In India Hiding Vaccine-Induced Polio In India | Food Freedom News

    And the liar media is saying countries like India are polio free? Bah!
    Thimerosol hasn't been in vaccines for donkey's years. And the decades that it was didn't seem to result in the epidemic of whatever you think it causes anyway (50s, 60s, 70s 80s....) Single dose vaccines have no preservatives in them at all-- you can go to the CDC site and see that.

    Aluminum is in vaccines because it potentiates their antibody-forming effects. If a child has every vaccine in the series, s/he will receive approximately one quarter of the amount found in .... breast milk. If you take a single dose of Maalox, which is -- wait for it, aluminum hydroxide!--- that's over a thousand times the amount of aluminum in all vaccines put together. Aluminum is a naturally-occurring substance in food. You can find more at the CDC vaccine FAQs page.
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

    Proteins? Oh, heavens. When a person takes in any infective agent, viral or bacterial, proteins get involved. This hysteria has to be informed by actual science. Google "CDC vaccine additives" and see what you find.

    And of course, the number of new polio cases in the 300-million-person US, where polio vaccination manufacture is well-controlled and vaccination is almost universal, is ... close to none. The India article is full of nonsequiturs as related to US vaccination programs.
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    this is an influenza thread?
    here is some latest info about thimerosol ( which can be in the influenza vaccination that is recommended yearly):
    This is just for your information--form your own conclusions: Remember there are different types of mercury.

    Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days). However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.Given these findings, the researchers caution that risk assessments for thimerosal based on studies using blood mercury measurements may not be valid, depending on the design of the study. Further, the observed differences in distribution and breakdown of mercury compounds between exposed groups indicate that methylmercury is not a suitable model for thimerosal toxicity

    This was from a study available through .National Library of Medicine - National Institutes of Health done in 2005.

    Personally i am not sure of any damage done from the flu shot--but findings are interesting. Risk versus benefit should be a personnel decision for this vaccine..
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    Green! You are comparing apples to oranges! You can not compare oral intake to injection!
    Quote from GrnTea
    Thimerosol hasn't been in vaccines for donkey's years. And the decades that it was didn't seem to result in the epidemic of whatever you think it causes anyway (50s, 60s, 70s 80s....) Single dose vaccines have no preservatives in them at all-- you can go to the CDC site and see that.

    Aluminum is in vaccines because it potentiates their antibody-forming effects. If a child has every vaccine in the series, s/he will receive approximately one quarter of the amount found in .... breast milk. If you take a single dose of Maalox, which is -- wait for it, aluminum hydroxide!--- that's over a thousand times the amount of aluminum in all vaccines put together. Aluminum is a naturally-occurring substance in food. You can find more at the CDC vaccine FAQs page.
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

    Proteins? Oh, heavens. When a person takes in any infective agent, viral or bacterial, proteins get involved. This hysteria has to be informed by actual science. Google "CDC vaccine additives" and see what you find.

    And of course, the number of new polio cases in the 300-million-person US, where polio vaccination manufacture is well-controlled and vaccination is almost universal, is ... close to none. The India article is full of nonsequiturs as related to US vaccination programs.
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    Quote from morte
    Green! You are comparing apples to oranges! You can not compare oral intake to injection!
    That's because she is grasping at straws.

    The more educated in Sydney are starting to vote with their feet re: vaccinations for their child and I have to say I am one of them.
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    I do not take the flu shot..I am opposed to putting foriegn anything into my body that isn't completly necessary.I am 48 years old & have been in the medical field for 30 years (CNA, LPN, RN)...I have an awesome immune system & (as I am knocking on wood), I rarely ever get sick. I think I have called in maybe 2 times in the past 5 years. Many of my younger colleages have had terrible flu symptoms this year (even with getting the flu vaccine). I believe since I have been exposed to so much crud over the years & this has boosted my immune system. I also am very vigilant with hand washing (soap & water for me, no alcohol gel). I also believe that God protects us who care for others. I strongly believe that taking the flu shot should be a choice and not mandated by anyone! Stay well everyone through this flu season
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    i understand "Patient Safety" vs. "Nurses's rights" but lets face it...the fact we live in a FREE country that allows us to make our OWN healthcare decisions. That means "Nurses rights" trump because it is THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am a young, healthy nurse. i never recieved flu vaccine, i never want to. It is my personal beliefs/values. I refuse to put unnatural things in my body (Have you seen the list of ingredients?). I signed up to take care of patients whent hey are sick. I did not sign over my body to the rights of my employer.
    Just because im a nurse does NOT mean i should have those rights taken away from me. Did i get my flu shot this year? Yes...because i need to keep my job and hospital sad they would "suspend" anyone until they got their flu vaccine. The second it becomes mandatory, because there is rumor that it is. i am GONE!!!! I refuse to give up my rights as a human just because im a nurse. Absolutley not happening.
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    And might i add...i've NEVER received the flu vaccine up until this year and i've NEVER had the flu. The people who are getting sick are the ones who have had the flu vaccine. I am a young, healthy 24 year old and have been sick maybe once in the past 2 years i've been hired as a nurse.
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    I want to thrash about also!Here is my take on my situation and beliefs. Why the flu vaccine push all of a sudden?I asked myself that last year when my employer(hospital)wanted 100% compliancy but not mandated.Could it be money driven,are we(too some degree)test subjects?I believe the push is due to unethical reasoning and NOT patient safety. Well, the hospital did not get their 100% so this year came the mandate or be terminated idea.Interesting thing is the hospital never published the compliancy report this year-
    hmmmm.

    I need my job as much as much as most people but will NEVER compromise my moral and ethical beliefs or self preservation for a forced invasive medical procedure NOT proven to be effective or safe-remember,Bush passed the law exempting pharmaceuticals from being sued if injury or death ocurred as a result of the flu vaccine.

    Also,only if interested,look up EACH ingredient in the 3 strains of viruses used for vaccines this year-see what each ingredient is used for and what it can do to the DNA of cells-Triton X-100 really caught my attention.Also, please look up the names of EACH board member of the CDC, the WHO,and the FHA and read about which entities they have represented in the past and present.

    Now,the biggy,look up(again only if interested) and find the randomized trial studies done or started on these vaccines and I mean the research done by INDEPENDENT scientist,biologists and doctors,NOT those being funded by Big Pharma.The Cochrain Collaboration could be a good start.

    I refused the shot.Then and only then did I find out how unethical a hospital can be.I was not terminated but given a "medical leave"!!! I AM NOT SICK!! Signed NO medical leave papers!!!!So, I deemed myself laid off and filed for unemployment and got it.Hospital totally ticked off at this and now fighting unemployment.Hospital would hate to have that get out that a nurse qualified for unemployment.That might mean more people would refuse if they could have a winter off and collect.Can't have that now, can we?

    I am the first case in the state to file for unemployment due to a refusal of a mandated vaccine. In the words of the intake person,I was a "tricky" case and noone is really sure how to handle this issue especially since the state I work in has NOT mandated the vaccine shots.I am enjoying watching the unemployment bureau and hospital hash this over and will definitely appeal if needed.

    I feel we employees affected by a refusal are at an advantage to ban together for a large scale fight.We have a great advantage due to the fact the mandate is new,hospitals are NOT consistent in how they are carrying out the mandate (some nurses fired,some nurses and doctors kept jobs,some nurses allowed to wear masks,others not allowed,some nurses given(i.e. laid off)the flu season off,some not,visitors not monitored as to whether they have had the flu shots,patients allowed to still go outside in the general public to smoke)There is a certain word for inconsistent practices, such as these, against employees.

    I also find it so very interesting this year,with the mandates,we NOW have a pandemic in the majority of states or so the media wants me to believe.Gee, why? Could it be the chemicals in the vaccine are screwing up the immunity system and making SO MANY sick? Could it be the vaccine is not comprised of the right strains this year.I have been a nurse for 32 years,have never had a flu,do not believe in them for me.I am a firm believer in obtaining NATURAL flu immunity(go ahead,cough in my face,my immunity system will be much stronger for it) I believe in NOT skipping two of the natural immunity proccesses that occur within the body(these very important steps are bypassed when getting a shot).

    All different ways available to get "educated". What sources we each choose to believe in is a right we all have. So everyone's choice is the right one,no one is wrong in believing what they believe.Some peoples thoughts will align with others and some will not.Take care all and good health to you no matter if you take the shot or not.
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