Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 9

While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More

  1. Visit  barbarake21 profile page
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    BostonFNP - I am in no way disagreeing with you but when I read statistics like that, I wonder as to how valid they are.

    It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) but they only way fly can be conclusively confirmed is via a culture. When my son had 'the flu' a couple of years ago, he was 'diagnosed' at the college clinic and told to rest, fluids, etc. (He was fine after a week or so.) Anyway, they *did not* do a throat swab/culture.

    I'm thinking that maybe now - with all the concern about pandemics, etc. - maybe doctors are simply doing more cultures and getting their diagnosis 'confirmed'. In other words, maybe the same number of people are getting sick but the number of cultures (and 'confirmed diagnoses') has increased.

    (I've taken way too many statistics courses and am convinced you can make statistics say almost anything if you want to. Look at advertising.)
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  3. Visit  morte profile page
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    ... am convinced you can make statistics say almost anything if you want to. Look at advertising.) quote
    yup, 50% improvement sounds good, till you realize it was 50% of 0.05 to begin with....
  4. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from barbarake21
    BostonFNP - I am in no way disagreeing with you but when I read statistics like that, I wonder as to how valid they are.

    It is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) but they only way fly can be conclusively confirmed is via a culture. When my son had 'the flu' a couple of years ago, he was 'diagnosed' at the college clinic and told to rest, fluids, etc. (He was fine after a week or so.) Anyway, they *did not* do a throat swab/culture.

    I'm thinking that maybe now - with all the concern about pandemics, etc. - maybe doctors are simply doing more cultures and getting their diagnosis 'confirmed'. In other words, maybe the same number of people are getting sick but the number of cultures (and 'confirmed diagnoses') has increased.

    (I've taken way too many statistics courses and am convinced you can make statistics say almost anything if you want to. Look at advertising.)
    We are talking confirmed cases via OP swab and culture+. Over screening can decrease PPV of a test but not 10 fold.
  5. Visit  morte profile page
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    We are talking UNDER, not over testing...
    Quote from BostonFNP
    We are talking confirmed cases via OP swab and culture+. Over screening can decrease PPV of a test but not 10 fold.
  6. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    This statement makes me ask why.Could there be any connection that this year there were more mandates and flu vaccines given,more than last year.More nurses and patients ill this year of nurses who took the vaccine have been quite ill along with patients.This info only confirms my own stance on the mandate.
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  7. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from MeggieA
    This statement makes me ask why.Could there be any connection that this year there were more mandates and flu vaccines given,more than last year.More nurses and patients ill this year of nurses who took the vaccine have been quite ill along with patients.This info only confirms my own stance on the mandate.
    Suggesting that flu vaccs are the cause on the increased flu? Physiologically that isn't possible.
  8. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    Quote from MeggieA
    This statement makes me ask why.Could there be any connection that this year there were more mandates and flu vaccines given,more than last year.More nurses and patients ill this year of nurses who took the vaccine have been quite ill along with patients.This info only confirms
    my own stance on the mandate.
    The quoted statement from myself above also makes me ask why I can't put a sentence together!
  9. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from morte
    We are talking UNDER, not over testing...
    The poster I responded to was questioning if there were more confirmed cases this year d/t the fact more people are being swabbed. Are more being swabbed than last year? Probably, but that's due to clinical presentation and the extent of the outbreak: my hospital now swabs anyone with flu-like symptoms in the ED/OcHealth. This years's flu is virulent resulting in more people seeking medical help, which is also a factor. Maybe the same number are sick but those sick are sicker? Either way, it's a problem.
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Jan 24, '13
  10. Visit  morte profile page
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    Hmm , if we don't test, it didn't exist. We can't compare apples to oranges....or kiwis to pears....Is it more virulent? or is the media hype causing persons to seek medical care more quickly?
    Quote from BostonFNP
    The poster I responded to was questioning if there were more confirmed cases this year d/t the fact more people are being swabbed. Are more being swabbed than last year? Probably, but that's due to clinical presentation and the extent of the outbreak: my hospital now swabs anyone with flu-like symptoms in the ED/OcHealth. This years's flu is virulent resulting in more people seeking medical help, which is also a factor. Maybe the same number are sick but those sick are sicker? Either way, it's a problem.
  11. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    But, one could also ask why can't it be physiologically possible. The vials of vaccine are not just comprised of a dead virus-so they tell us- but tween 80,thimerosol(in some),antibxs,etc.Those alone are of concern to me but not anywhere near the concern of that Triton X-100.A detergent surfactant that inactivates the virus on a cellular(DNA) level.Unfortunately it does not differentiate between cells.It just happens to be used to kill the virus cell ALSO.It easily crosses the blood brain barrier.

    TX100 is an ingredient I certainly do not want within my system or interfering with my DNA.If anything is going to destroys my cells it is going to be of a NATURAL process.It is not going to be by injecting chemicals into me-an invasive medical procedure that I have full control over allowing or refusing.No one else is ever going to have that control over my body/health.

    Couldn't there also be a possibility that one ,if not more, of these ingredients could cause symptoms similar to the flu? I don't know and I believe noone else knows either. These separate ingredients have not been studied outside the petrie dish and their actions on cells.Humans usually have no need to be injected with these ingredients alone to warrant a randomized or controlled study!Maybe they will start a study seeing how humans are now basically being made to take the shot and it is obvious,by reports,the more vaccines given(as this year)the more illness.70-700 cases of flu in Boston so far this year. Isn't that quite a jump in a year? It is a no-brainer to me.

    I am fortunate to be healthy,fortunate to never have had a flu and surely will not start taken flu shots now. This is one of many reasons that a flu shot COULD be physiologically possible. In the end you are right to think it is impossible and I am also right to believe it is possible.
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  12. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    To clarify.My last post #112 is in response to post # 109 by Boston FNP.

    I will eventually get the hang of doing the "quote"post before responding.
  13. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from morte
    Hmm , if we don't test, it didn't exist. We can't compare apples to oranges....or kiwis to pears....Is it more virulent? or is the media hype causing persons to seek medical care more quickly?
    Outside of pandemic times we rarely culture for flu, rather treat the symptoms based on purely on a clinical diagnosis. So it does exist when we don't "test" it, doesn't it?

    Hype can cause people to seek medical care, but can it cause both clinical symptoms and positive cultures? Likely not, or at least not in the numbers we are seeing.
  14. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from MeggieA
    Couldn't there also be a possibility that one ,if not more, of these ingredients could cause symptoms similar to the flu?. This is one of many reasons that a flu shot COULD be physiologically possible.
    I am not sure what your background is and how much biochem, nursing, and medical education you have, so please pardon me if this seems overly simplistic in response. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion and interpretation.

    Could an ingredient possibly cause flu-like symptoms? Sure, most constitutional flu symptoms are non-specific. What those ingredients can not do is cause positive influenza cultures.

    As far as TX-100, no additional chemical entering your body are good. TX100 split virions have been demonstrated safe in a myriad of clinical trials. Would I inject myself with straight TX-100? Now way!


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