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  1. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    Sometimes when experts come to a consensus they are wrong too. Voices are being silenced. Evidence can be skewed.....people have agendas etc. etc. What it comes down to is what people believe. Some believe the flu vaccine is good and beneficial for society as a whole and others don't. So those that do get to be the "winners" and those that don't can get out. Simple.
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  3. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    Quote from CrunchRN
    I know, it is awful how greed is causing so many to mislead about the "shortage" and most nursing schools are still misleading people.
    If greed would cause people to mislead others about a nursing shortage, it just might be greed would cause people to love vaccine sales too. Just sayin'.
  4. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    I guess it is hard for me to be un-biased since I have had the vaccine the last 24 of 25 years and I don't find compelling evidence for harm in the validated data I have seen.

    But hey, I am not going to convince you and will not try. Not beating a dead horse is another of my life tenets these days.
  5. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    Probably a good plan. My husband had a severe reaction to a flu shot a few years ago that they said they were "sure" wasn't caused by the vaccine. No tests were done, they were just "sure" of it. Well, he never had a reaction like that at any other time in his life and just happened to have it right after getting the vaccine. These things can't be proven which makes the science of this so hard to get a hold of. Many adverse reactions are simply not investigated or reported. I guess you either believe it or you don't. (Which means I won't try and convince you either.) I just want the freedom to choose or not based on my own beliefs.
  6. Visit  NRSKarenRN profile page
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    Found at Nurses Who Vaccinate | Facebook

    Orange Nose Day
    is an annual event where health educators like you get to share your messages along with a dose of surprise. When we wear a virtual or real orange foam clown nose, patients and the public smile, receptive to what we have to say. Join the fun! Find out what a little levity will do for the listening skills of your audience.


    Just might wear my clown nose and hair during flu shot day to add some levity.
    Last edit by tnbutterfly on Oct 19, '12
  7. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from imjustme123
    ...What it comes down to is what people believe. Some believe the flu vaccine is good and beneficial for society as a whole and others don't.
    The efficacy of influenza vaccination has been has been demonstrated based on sound scientific principles, see llg's post above (Number 166). It is not a matter of personal belief; what people believe about flu vaccines being dangerous or ineffective is not science, but narrow-minded dogma.
  8. Visit  morte profile page
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    It is a rare time I would quibble with you. That said, find me the proof of reduced mortality/morbidity.
    The funny thing is the Vitamin D proponent Dr Cannel (sp), feels there might be a small posivtive effect from the vacine, but according to his statement, the evidence is not there to prove it. He feels the concommitent D deficiency is to blame.
    Quote from llg
    Sometimes, when experts come to a consensus about a issue ... they are right. One unified voice advocating for improved practice can be a good thing. No one is silencing voices on this issue. The scientific work to study and improve vaccines is ongoing. If new evidence appears that raises questions about the safety or efficacy of the vaccine, then that new evidence will be used to change policies and practice. That's the beauty of science.

    However, one of the other beauties of science is that as evidence mounts, employers (and individuals) have more information they can use to make decisions and set policies. In this case, scientists have reached a consensus that the benefits of the flu vaccines outweighs the risks for almost everyone. Leading scientitists and ethicists have agreed that the best evidence and the best ethical reasoning about the obligations that health care workers have to "do no harm" to their patients includes getting the influenza vaccine.

    People disagreeing with those scientists and ethicists are still free to present their evidence in support of the opposing view and have it reviewed by the scientific and ethics community. And society is still obliged to base its policies on the best evidence available -- which happens to now be on the side of influenza vaccine.
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    The efficacy of influenza vaccination has been has been demonstrated based on sound scientific principles, see llg's post above (Number 166). It is not a matter of personal belief; what people believe about flu vaccines being dangerous or ineffective is not science, but narrow-minded dogma.
    I really do take issue with what you said here. There is science in both directions. We could both quote sources. I have respected everyone's beliefs here. I have not called anyone who believes in getting the vaccine narrow-minded, bad or anything else. However, people who do NOT believe in it (me) have been called narrow-minded, uncaring and that we basically want to kill people with the flu. That tells me a story. When people have to castigate someone for their beliefs it means to me that maybe their beliefs are not really all that sound and that maybe they are based more upon a mindset that others feel they must beat people into emotionally. That type of mindset gives me great pause on top of the lack of science to prove the flu vaccine really does what it says it does.
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    Last edit by JustBeachyNurse on Oct 18, '12 : Reason: formatting
  11. Visit  jodlove profile page
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    For the first time in the 12 years I've worked at my hospital the flu shot is mandatory. The only exemption is a documented allergy. If you don't get it by 11/1 you will be terminated. I always get it but it is shocking to me.
  12. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    It is this economy and over supply of nurses. They can afford to make this move now.
  13. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    I was sitting at the nurses station at clinicals last night and I looked up on the bulletin board to see this:

    PLEASE READ!

    As of Sept. 18, 83% of hospital staff and 68% of nursing home staff have had or committed to receiving the flu vaccine. This is well below the goal of 90%. 90% of staff need to be vaccinated for the facility to receive the best reimbursement dollars.
    Bells went off. Follow the money. It tells a story. Just think of all the wages and money lost if people stopped getting the vaccine.

    I started looking for a job today. Nobody is going to force me to put something in my body.
    loveoverpride, brandy1017, and Anne36 like this.
  14. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    Good luck. I am sure you find something. Let us know how it goes.


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