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    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
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    laidback al what is your thoughts on why employers are suddenly mandating these vaccinations? To the best of my knowledge this began in 2011?
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    It may be indirect, but it certainly is the goverenment. It comes via CMMS. Social engineering.
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    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
    I am not going to argue vaccination....I have my personal theories......... if you understand that it wasn't my quote but a quote from a link that I found on the American Association of Rare Auto Immune diseases....quote it as such.

    I feel it is wrong for any employer to force potentially dangerous medications upon employees and threaten them with their jobs to force compliance when even they cannot absolutely prove efficacy and will accept no responsibility.

    Even the government took YEARS to recognize and admit to agent orange
    While in Vietnam, the veterans were told not to worry, and were persuaded the chemical was harmless.After returning home, Vietnam veterans began to suspect their ill health or the instances of their wives having miscarriages or children born with birth defects might be related to Agent Orange and the other toxic herbicides to which they were exposed in Vietnam. Veterans began to file claims in 1977 to the Department of Veterans Affairs for disability payments for health care for conditions they believed were associated with exposure to Agent Orange, or more specifically, dioxin, but their claims were denied unless they could prove the condition began when they were in the service or within one year of their discharge.

    By April 1993, the Department of Veterans Affairs had only compensated 486 victims, although it had received disability claims from 39,419 soldiers who had been exposed to Agent Orange while serving in Vietnam.
    and the illnesses caused by exposure to Sept 11.
    Various health programs have arisen to deal with the ongoing health effects of the September 11 attacks. The World Trade Center Health Program, which provides testing and treatment to 9/11 responders and survivors, consolidated many of these after the James Zadroga Act became law in January 2011.
    So no I don't trust nor believe the have my best interest at heart.
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    Quote from Esme12
    . . .So no I don't trust nor believe the have my best interest at heart.
    It is easy to ascribe human emotions and motivations to corporations or governments. Despite the supreme court ruling, these headless mutli-tendriled conglomerates are not people--and they do not think, feel, or act on a rational basis like individuals do.

    The only person that has your own best interest at heart is yourself. While I may not agree about purposeful conspiracy theories, I think everyone needs to educate themselves and make the choices they think are best for themselves.
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    Quote from olddragger
    laidback al what is your thoughts on why employers are suddenly mandating these vaccinations? To the best of my knowledge this began in 2011?
    fear of lawsuits?

    It is hard to know. Big corporations and operations don't like dissension in the ranks. They certainly know that, in general, nurses don't want to be forced to be vaccinated. I am pretty sure that hospital and health care facilities don't get a kick back from the vaccine manufacturer for every nurse they vaccinate.

    But for whatever reason, bottom line perhaps, they are willing to aggravate their employees and make them get vaccinated.
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    LOVE your comment and THANK YOU!! Couldn't agree more. Show me the research! It's a scam to make money. There are not credible studies documenting that the flu shot is effective. They are guessing - they think it will work and if not...hey, we'll scare (and FORCE) lots of people into getting the flu shot and oh - a let's give them a little bit of toxic mercury and other preservatives while we're at it. How is this world and how are educated people so brainwashed. So, if you happen to catch the flu - stay home, recover and go back to work when you're ready - of course stay away from the immunocompromised. Just because you get the flu shot doesn't mean that you won't catch the flu! But because you did, you're body now has more toxins which puts you at risk for MANY things down the road.
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    Quote from remryreid
    LOVE your comment and THANK YOU!! Couldn't agree more. Show me the research! It's a scam to make money. There are not credible studies documenting that the flu shot is effective. They are guessing - they think it will work and if not...hey, we'll scare (and FORCE) lots of people into getting the flu shot and oh - a let's give them a little bit of toxic mercury and other preservatives while we're at it. How is this world and how are educated people so brainwashed. So, if you happen to catch the flu - stay home, recover and go back to work when you're ready - of course stay away from the immunocompromised. Just because you get the flu shot doesn't mean that you won't catch the flu! But because you did, you're body now has more toxins which puts you at risk for MANY things down the road.
    I hope you weren't referring to my post.

    Corporations are not motivated by trying to improve the public good. But that does not mean that flu vaccines are ineffective or dangerous. I am always skeptical of drive-posters spouting anti-vaccer propaganda. I generally recommend people research the facts, not the hearsay, for themselves.

    First, vaccine manufacturers do not make money off of flu vaccine which is why there is government support. Big pharma makes a lot more money off of patented drugs and vaccines such as ZOSTAVAX or GARDASIL.

    There are single does vaccines that are available that contain no preservatives at all, no Thimerosal and hence no mercury.

    While getting the flu vaccine may not stop you from getting the flu, it certainly increases your chances of avoiding infection.

    Don't believe anonymous posters on internet sites. Read peer-reviewed scientific studies. No matter what you read on the internet, these studies are all not a part of a big pharma-government cover-up and vaccination conspiracy.
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    fear of lawsuits?

    It is hard to know. Big corporations and operations don't like dissension in the ranks. They certainly know that, in general, nurses don't want to be forced to be vaccinated. I am pretty sure that hospital and health care facilities don't get a kick back from the vaccine manufacturer for every nurse they vaccinate.

    But for whatever reason, bottom line perhaps, they are willing to aggravate their employees and make them get vaccinated.
    I think this answer is telling. Your answer was not "patient safety".
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    I am a traveling nurse and this season was my 1st time having to be forced to recieve the vaccine. I was not happy but wanted this particular job. I have been a nurse for 8 years, my mom an RN for over 30 years and both have refused to it. When this started back in October, it was nationally stated that the flu vaccine will not protect one against this years strain as it is based on the yrs prior flu strand. This is ludicrous. And i cant tell you how many people/ hcw have received the shot and still got the flu, even twice. That says something. Like i said l, I had my own reasons for taking this assignment. Being forced to do it..it's not like our regular vaccines.


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