Mandatory Flu Vaccines- How do you feel? - page 5

Anyone else upset by the requirement to take flu vaccine or else... not even a mask option??? Only way out is a MD note stating "severe" allergy. Why is it we can't force our patients but our... Read More

  1. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from Jory
    Find me a single lawsuit that was WON where the patient actually collected to where they were able to trace back an infection of a common, everyone-has-it illness to a single NURSE. You'll be hard pressed to Google one that was even filed.
    You didn't say "won." You said that no one could sue for that, that "the court requires proof." That's lovely, but the court CLERK merely requires a filing fee. Between that and "proof" or dismissal, many dollars are shed. The question is whether or not someone will win. It is whether they will sue. When they do, the costs are expended, whether they are spent being given to the plaintiff or not.

    Your flippant attitude about lawsuits suggests that you don't have much experience with them.
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  3. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    When I was hired my hospital required titers to prove immunization for a number of vaccinations; mumps, rubella, etc. They offer the flu vaccine in several different forms but don't require it. Even if they did require it, it's just another condition of work which is probably less dangerous than my exposure to HepC, HIV, hemolytic strep, MRSA, lice, scabies, etc in my patient population. Sure, we use precautions but nothing short of a moon suit is foolproof.
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  4. Visit  jrwest profile page
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    sure , were forced( oh, i mean required) to have the flu shots, but the employees are still getting the flu, and pna, and bronchitis, and one recently had cdiff. Since they give us a hard time about calling in, everything is getting passed around like a hot potato. Oh, but we got our flu shots........
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  5. Visit  JMBnurse profile page
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    You didn't say "won." You said that no one could sue for that, that "the court requires proof." That's lovely, but the court CLERK merely requires a filing fee. Between that and "proof" or dismissal, many dollars are shed. The question is whether or not someone will win. It is whether they will sue. When they do, the costs are expended, whether they are spent being given to the plaintiff or not.

    Your flippant attitude about lawsuits suggests that you don't have much experience with them.
    It's true, you can sue for just about anything in this country, but you will be unlikely to ever get in front of a judge for the dismissal phase because unless you have money to waste, you will not find an attorney who will take that case. I agree with Jory, it would be next to impossible to prove a specific nurse exposed a specific patient to influenza when they can be exposed anywhere.

    This is why I don't believe hospitals make the mandatory flu vaccine decision based on fear of litigation or liability. No doubt, it's poor PR to have your staff hacking and sneezing all over patients, but I don't think that's the reason. I believe the main reason is the financial impact to the hospital from sick employees for 8 months of every year. It's a huge burden to have half of your staff out with the flu during a time of the year when the census is highest because half the patients have flu related illness. I've worked during those bad times in the middle of winter when the census explodes and staff are calling in left and right every shift. It's a nightmare. I see why they do it.

    I still can't understand why anyone would want to risk getting that sick and exposing their loved ones and patients to the flu when one shot can prevent it and you can get the vaccine for free and usually without waiting. The public stands in line sometimes for hours waiting for the chance to receive what the hospital begs us to have and gives us for free at our convenience.
  6. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    I just read at the nurses station that they want 90% of staff to be vaccinated for the best reimbursement dollars. So, I guess that is really what the flu shot is all about. Beyond that, I think economics drives it in most every sense from the money it generates for the pharma companies all the way to the money it generates for labor for giving it. I don't think it has anything to do with health.
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  7. Visit  sharpeimom profile page
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    I was allergic to many different things as a baby and child and allergy tests indicated that I was allergic to many more to which I had no reaction and never had. One of those was eggs. I eat eggs with no problem
    and always have. I always got a flu shot and except for a severe headache that day, had no other problems.

    Three years ago, my PCP retired and my new one found the egg "allergy" note tucked away in the deep dark
    recesses of my chart and that was the end of my getting a flu shot every fall. I feel like a sitting duck!
  8. Visit  brillohead profile page
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    Quote from sharpeimom
    Three years ago, my PCP retired and my new one found the egg "allergy" note tucked away in the deep dark
    recesses of my chart and that was the end of my getting a flu shot every fall. I feel like a sitting duck!
    Walgreens and Rite-Aid and Sam's Club and Wal-Mart don't know about your "egg allergy" -- go get your shot there!
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  9. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
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    Quote from JMBnurse
    It's true, you can sue for just about anything in this country, but you will be unlikely to ever get in front of a judge for the dismissal phase because unless you have money to waste, you will not find an attorney who will take that case. I agree with Jory, it would be next to impossible to prove a specific nurse exposed a specific patient to influenza when they can be exposed anywhere.

    This is why I don't believe hospitals make the mandatory flu vaccine decision based on fear of litigation or liability. No doubt, it's poor PR to have your staff hacking and sneezing all over patients, but I don't think that's the reason. I believe the main reason is the financial impact to the hospital from sick employees for 8 months of every year. It's a huge burden to have half of your staff out with the flu during a time of the year when the census is highest because half the patients have flu related illness. I've worked during those bad times in the middle of winter when the census explodes and staff are calling in left and right every shift. It's a nightmare. I see why they do it.
    I agree with all of this, except for finding an attorney to take the case. I really don't think it'd be a problem!
  10. Visit  prmenrs profile page
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    Quote from ckh23
    Every flu season it's the same thread.


    Yes you do have the right to refuse the vaccine, just as your employer will have the right to terminate you or suspend you until after flu season.
    You took the words right out of my mouth/keyboards! Deja vu all over again!!
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  11. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    No one is being forced to get vaccinated. They are being forced to be vaccinated if they want to keep their place of employment. So, there IS a choice. I support the mandate. I have 2 patients right now with Guillain–Barr syndrome. One of them caused from the flu vaccine. I still think the benefits outweigh the risk. I feel like most people have their panties in a bunch not because they don't want the shot, but because they don't want to have their choice taken away. The thing for me is that patients don't have a choice when they themselves can't get the flu shot for medical reasons and are exposed to the flu because their caretakers didn't get the flu vaccine.

    "No day but today"
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  12. Visit  sharpeimom profile page
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    My husband says I turn into Nurse Ratchett each of the last three years since I can't have a flu shot, and MAKE
    him get one! I just tell him that he ain't seen nothin' yet!

    Seriously, besides me, some of his students are either pregnant or moms of infants, and he'd feel absolutely horrible if one of hem caught it from him.
  13. Visit  jt43 profile page
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    The latest Cochrane Review found that influenza vaccination was completely ineffective at reducing transmission. I don't see why we are still discussing this.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0010949/
    Last edit by jt43 on Oct 7, '12 : Reason: add link
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  14. Visit  brandy1017 profile page
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    I still can't understand why anyone would want to risk getting that sick and exposing their loved ones and patients to the flu when one shot can prevent it and you can get the vaccine for free and usually without waiting. The public stands in line sometimes for hours waiting for the chance to receive what the hospital begs us to have and gives us for free at our convenience.[/QUOTE]

    Again the vaccine doesn't prevent the flu! It is a gamble whether the flu strains they place in the vaccine are even going to be effective at whatever flu strain does happen. They are guessing, this is not exact science! It is not like the measles vaccine where you know it will protect you from measles.

    The flu vaccine is a guess and for that guess you are risking your health! The people who have gotten sick after the vaccine are not lying and the ones who are paralyzed are not making it up! It scares me how many nurses here are like sheeps to the slaughter, believing everything they are told!

    What happened to critical thinking and evidenced based practice! Surely I can't believe I'm the only one to have met or cared for someone with guillian barre after a flu vaccine! There have even been deaths after vaccines to children and elderly but then they refuse to believe it came from the vaccine and it's not recorded! So take the vaccine at your own risk! Even OSHA knows the truth and has come out against mandating vaccines!

    Don't forget the girls who have died yes died after getting the gardisal vaccine! Where is this critical thinking nurses are supposed to have?

    If you want to learn more check out Mercola.com or Dr Blaylock who working in neurology has seen first hand the effects of the flu vaccine. If you still want to get your vaccine, go ahead but at least be informed of all the risks and know the benefit is still not proven, it is a guessing game!

    But big pharma gets to make a lot of money off the hospitals mandating flu vaccines on all of us! Follow the money, they conveniently have immunity from any liability if people are harmed by their vaccines. If you are one of the unfurtunate ones stand in line and ask the govt board for compensation! It seems to me if these vaccines are so safe the vaccine producers should be willing and able to stand behind their product. Guess what they aren't and they don't!

    Lastly I'm sick of all of you that say it's your choice if they mandate you quit or be fired. Where do you go when every place starts mandating it? No wonder nurses are so mistreated and there are so few unions in hospitals because nurses don't stand up for each other! This cold heartedness is pathetic!
    Last edit by brandy1017 on Oct 7, '12
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