Mandatory Flu Vaccines- How do you feel? - page 10

Anyone else upset by the requirement to take flu vaccine or else... not even a mask option??? Only way out is a MD note stating "severe" allergy. Why is it we can't force our patients but our... Read More

  1. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
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    Quote from NurseRivera
    I think it's ridiculous to be forced to take anything into my body. When you enter a healthcare facility, infection is listed as a potential risk to every single thing that you consent to in that hospital. It's part of dealing with people. People have bugs. We do everything we can to minimize risk of infection, but forcing someone to take a controversial substance into their body is crossing the line. At my facility, the only way out is to get a medical doctor to write a note saying it's "contraindicated."...I learned that because of HIPAA, they can't inquire further into the reasoning behind the contraindication and have to back off. Luckily, I just got a job that's not at the bedside so I don't have to deal with this intrusive, dictatorial mandate.
    By the way, I have seen more patients hospitalized with Guillian Barre as their primary admission diagnosis than the flu as their primary admission diagnosis.
    But take the flu vaccine
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  3. Visit  Nurserton profile page
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    But take the flu vaccine
    Last time I checked "hand-washing" was still being touted as the #1 means of infection prevention, not letting the health care system shoot you up with their latest cocktail of designer flu strains. Like many others, I've never even had the flu. I do not wish to participate in a system that mandates vaccination. I don't trust it. They rush these vaccines on the market, change the strains every year and every couple years there's an "oops there was live virus in that" scare. The preserving additives used (i.e., thimerosal) are made from known toxic agents. But it's just a tiny dose, so hey, I'm sure we'll be fine. Because we all know how much the FDA really cares about US, and not money in their pockets. The relentless campaigning of flu vaccines in the past decade, even to the point of sidestepping traditional safety measures to rush prodcuts on the market, could not possibly be related to money. No way!
    And still, like I said, I've taken care of patients admitted for Guillian Barre. It's a real and very scary potential sequelae of this vaccine. And still, never had a patient admitted for the flu. We know certain populations (youth, elders, comorbities) are at greater risk, need to make sure THOSE populations are vaccinated, if they so CHOOSE. I thought that in America, everyone gets a choice. "Mandatory" condition of employment is NOT a "choice", as some people claim, if your desire is to maintain employment, as is a goal for most of us. And the neonate/geriatric population is at increased risk for many things, not just the flu. Shall we force the pneumonia vaccine on those caretakers too? Really, where does it end? Where does my personal right over my own body begin?
    Last edit by Nurserton on Oct 14, '12
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  4. Visit  JMBnurse profile page
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    Quote from NurseRivera
    I think it's ridiculous to be forced to take anything into my body. When you enter a healthcare facility, infection is listed as a potential risk to every single thing that you consent to in that hospital. It's part of dealing with people. People have bugs. We do everything we can to minimize risk of infection, but forcing someone to take a controversial substance into their body is crossing the line. At my facility, the only way out is to get a medical doctor to write a note saying it's "contraindicated."...I learned that because of HIPAA, they can't inquire further into the reasoning behind the contraindication and have to back off. Luckily, I just got a job that's not at the bedside so I don't have to deal with this intrusive, dictatorial mandate.
    By the way, I have seen more patients hospitalized with Guillian Barre as their primary admission diagnosis than the flu as their primary admission diagnosis.
    First of all, you are saying that your physician wrote a note saying the flu vaccine was "contradicted" for you, when it is not? Wow. I hope most physicians would refuse to sign that note as it sounds unethical to me if the true reason is that you don't want to take the shot. Secondly, I have been a nurse for 16 years, working in Med/Surg and Oncology and I have never taken care of, seen someone admitted for or known anyone with Guillain Barre Syndrome. The reason for that is because it is rare. You can also get GBS from the flu itself or many other illnesses and infections. See link below from the CDC, discussing the rarity of GBS.

    CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Questions and Answers - Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)

    Thirdly, I don't know in which areas of nursing you have worked, but to say that more patients are admitted with GBS as their primary diagnosis than the flu is completely false. Every year all over this country, many patients are admitted with influenza or flu related illness and many die. The numbers of people who have or die from GBS are comparatively miniscule.

    “Last summer, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a report showing that over 20,000 people a year die in the U.S. as a result of influenza. About 90% of those people are over age 65, even though people over 65 make up only about 15% of the population.”

    These numbers do not even include those that are admitted and treated, but don't die. See link below for the numbers of Americans who die every year from the flu.

    With 90% of U.S. Influenza Deaths in Elderly, New High Dose Vaccine Seeks Lower Mortality, Morbidity Rates

    If you don't want to get the flu vaccine for whatever reason, then don't get it. If you don't work in a place where it is mandatory, then congratulations, that works out good for you, but please don't perpetuate myths and scare others from receiving a vaccine that has been proven to save lives and prevent the spread of illness.
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  5. Visit  Nurserton profile page
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    Quote from JMBnurse
    First of all, you are saying that your physician wrote a note saying the flu vaccine was "contradicted" for you, when it is not?
    Nope, I never said that. I said that's the only known loophole and quite frankly, it's absurd to force nurses to have to go through all that just to exercise the right over their own body.


    Quote from JMBnurse
    Thirdly, I don't know in which areas of nursing you have worked, but to say that more patients are admitted with GBS as their primary diagnosis than the flu is completely false.
    I never said that either. I simply stated my experience. You can tout all the statistics you want, but the fact of the matter is that the flu is an issue of life or death for a very specific set of populations, and I believe that it is our duty to educate these populations to get themselves vaccinated. I don't think dictatorial requirements for all nursing staff is the answer.


    Quote from JMBnurse
    If you don't want to get the flu vaccine for whatever reason, then don't get it.
    Thank you for "giving me the okay."


    Quote from JMBnurse
    don't perpetuate myths and scare others from receiving a vaccine that has been proven to save lives and prevent the spread of illness.
    I never once stated a single falsehood or perpetuated "myths", I raised real and valid concerns that have NOT been scientifically dis-proven, as much as vaccine nazis would like to sweep said concerns under the rug. I merely stated my experiences and concerns about mandating the ingestion of a substance into my body. Yet, people will always find a way to see what they want to see and deduce the message they have assumed would be given from another's response, even if said message isn't really there (see above.)
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  6. Visit  JMBnurse profile page
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    Quote from NurseRivera
    I never said that either. I simply stated my experience. You can tout all the statistics you want, but the fact of the matter is that the flu is an issue of life or death for a very specific set of populations, and I believe that it is our duty to educate these populations to get themselves vaccinated. I don't think dictatorial requirements for all nursing staff is the answer.
    Pesky CDC statistics. Did you work at "The Guillain Barre Center"? If so, my apologies. If not, then that statement is false. The CDC classifies healthcare workers as one of the specific sets of populations that should be vaccinated yearly.


    Quote from NurseRivera
    I never once stated a single falsehood or perpetuated "myths", I raised real and valid concerns that have NOT been scientifically dis-proven, as much as vaccine nazis would like to sweep said concerns under the rug. I merely stated my experiences and concerns about mandating the ingestion of a substance into my body. Yet, people will always find a way to see what they want to see and deduce the message they have assumed would be given from another's response, even if said message isn't really there (see above.)
    Guillain Barre Syndrome is rare. There are risks in almost everything we ingest. As an Oncology nurse, I pumped dangerous toxins into the bodies of patients every day. Their side effects were a lot worse than GBS, but they didn't seem to mind. They knew it would save their life. I was always more of a chemo nazi than a vaccine nazi.
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    Quote from JMBnurse
    As an Oncology nurse, I pumped dangerous toxins into the bodies of patients every day. Their side effects were a lot worse than GBS
    Paralysis?
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    Quote from wooh
    Paralysis?
    It's not a choice I would ever want to make, but if I had to choose between temporary and possibly limited "paralysis" and permanent heart muscle damage or permanent heart failure, pulmonary fibrosis or permanent hearing loss, just to name a few, yes, I would choose the temporary and possibly limited "paralysis". GBS is rare and the worst case scenarios are even rarer.
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    Quote from JMBnurse
    I would choose the temporary and possibly limited "paralysis". GBS is rare and the worst case scenarios are even rarer.
    If you took care of a few GBS patients, you'd be no more likely to put the word "paralysis" in quotation marks than you would "permanent hearing loss" or "permanent heart muscle damage."
  10. Visit  jrwest profile page
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    hmm, i feel pretty sore where i got the vaccine....................
  11. Visit  dg463 profile page
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    The hospital I work at has for the first time made it mandatory to take the vaccine or you get fired, the year before they would let you wear a mask, I am going to meet with HR and state my case for not taking the vaccine, and if I get fired they will lose a good nurse, but knowing the long term and short term damage that vaccines cause (Alhzheimer, dementia,paralysis,GBS etc,,,) there is no way i will be taking a shot in the name of job security, no I dont care for the mercury in thimerosal,MSG,aluminum,formadehyde, being forced into my body against my will, in my favor I have kept my lifestyle rather simple and relatively debt free,therefore allowing me to go unemployed for a time, as I try and find an employer that does not require the flu vaccine as grounds for employement. Big pharma loves forcing vaccines down our throats, as they benefit form millions in profits, and could care less on the damage they may cause our bodies,remember it's all about the money, and yes they are exempt from you suing them for damage you may incur from taking their vaccine shot.Lastly let's not forget the 2009 package insert for Norvartis monovalent Vaccine,which stated in side effects:Guillain-Barre Syndrom,anaphylactic shock,vasculitis, and DEATH. America is changing before our eyes, and we are losing freedoms every day, pray for our country.
  12. Visit  Asystole RN profile page
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    Quote from dg463
    The hospital I work at has for the first time made it mandatory to take the vaccine or you get fired, the year before they would let you wear a mask, I am going to meet with HR and state my case for not taking the vaccine, and if I get fired they will lose a good nurse, but knowing the long term and short term damage that vaccines cause (Alhzheimer, dementia,paralysis,GBS etc,,,) there is no way i will be taking a shot in the name of job security, no I dont care for the mercury in thimerosal,MSG,aluminum,formadehyde, being forced into my body against my will, in my favor I have kept my lifestyle rather simple and relatively debt free,therefore allowing me to go unemployed for a time, as I try and find an employer that does not require the flu vaccine as grounds for employement. Big pharma loves forcing vaccines down our throats, as they benefit form millions in profits, and could care less on the damage they may cause our bodies,remember it's all about the money, and yes they are exempt from you suing them for damage you may incur from taking their vaccine shot.Lastly let's not forget the 2009 package insert for Norvartis monovalent Vaccine,which stated in side effects:Guillain-Barre Syndrom,anaphylactic shock,vasculitis, and DEATH. America is changing before our eyes, and we are losing freedoms every day, pray for our country.
    HUGE difference from sporadic weak correlation identified in a few studies from actual causation, not that I am saying you should not judge the risks and benefits for yourself but please do not kid yourself.
  13. Visit  melsch profile page
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    My employer mandated we get the shot this year, or wear a mask at all times from December until march. I figured it would be easier to get the shot than have a mask on at all times. I got the shot yesterday and thankfully I have sick time because I had to call in for last night and tonight so far, we will see about tomorrow. Within a couple of hours I started feeling hot then cold, then just really tired. Really I feel like I have the flu, and I am guessing that my body figures that I do and is trying to fight it. I am feeling so lousy right now I am wondering if wearing a mask would be easier. It has reminded me why I haven't had the shot for about ten years.
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  14. Visit  SweettartRN profile page
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Because there is not a study linking or not linking means nothing. Since there is no study that refutes the link between space aliens and your son's allergy maybe that should be a concern?

    My facility has mandatory flu shots, or wear a mask the entire time at work, policy. I support it.

    You do not have the right to refuse like a patient because you are not a patient. You are an employee, who of free will, chooses to be employed at a facility that mandates flu shots.

    The flu vaccine is not approved for children less than 6 months, this does not mean it is not safe. Approval and safety are two different things.

    Actually when having ANY medical procedure done, you are a PATIENT, not an employee, and as such you LEGALLY have the RIGHT TO REFUSE.

    Perhaps a bit more education on this is needed for folks such as yourself as well as administration that forces these awful things.
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