Mandatory Flu shots - page 14

by CathyLew 15,515 Views | 136 Comments

sooooo...what are your thoughts of mandatory Flu shots for health care workers? we got the ultimatum....get the shot or get the ax. So I got my first ever flu shot yesterday. just sitting arround waiting to get sick now!!!!!... Read More


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    Quote from Woodenpug
    The sheep analogy was not mine. Just showing how pathetic are the arguments against flu vaccine. You oppose annual flu vaccination, because you are unable or unwilling to do the research. Oh, just to catch you up, the earth is not flat.
    Wow. You must be desperate.
    I think that the tone and condescending attitude, shows just how much YOU have not done any research or even really read any of the posts.
    In fact, your inflammatory remarks are insulting and don't relate to the actual debate.
    You have not shown anything supportive or of substance in this debate. Only a sarcastic attitude, with offensive statements made to hurt feelings, or infuriate.
    Which is not productive, nor is it convincing, or funny.

    If the Government or employer, told you to jump off a bridge because:
    it's good for you,
    would make you stronger,
    protect other people from you,
    and if you didn't- you would loose your job-
    ??? would you ???
    You might be ok. Other kids are doing it.
    Or you might break your neck, or your back, or drowned, or maybe you just get a headache.
    Whats the big deal?
    After all, it's only your life. Whats that worth to you?
    amms, melmarie23, and damegarbo like this.
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    Quote from ink10300
    Wow. You must be desperate.
    I think that the tone and condescending attitude, shows just how much YOU have not done any research or even really read any of the posts.
    In fact, your inflammatory remarks are insulting and don't relate to the actual debate.
    You have not shown anything supportive or of substance in this debate. Only a sarcastic attitude, with offensive statements made to hurt feelings, or infuriate.
    Which is not productive, nor is it convincing, or funny.

    If the Government or employer, told you to jump off a bridge because:
    it's good for you,
    would make you stronger,
    protect other people from you,
    and if you didn't- you would loose your job-
    ??? would you ???
    You might be ok. Other kids are doing it.
    Or you might break your neck, or your back, or drowned, or maybe you just get a headache.
    Whats the big deal?
    After all, it's only your life. Whats that worth to you?


    People seem to have short memories.

    After a 1979 Tennessee incident where numerous babies suffered severe reactions and death in association with a "hot-lot", vaccine manufacturers altered their distribution practices of vaccine lots by not allowing one lot to be geographically specific, or "clustered", thereby avoiding public notice when a lot becomes "hot."

    How many years was oral polio given before it was taken off the market because it was the sole source of polio cases in the US?

    How long was the DPT on the market before the formula was changed to the attenuated pertussis component?
    I wonder how many children suffered irreversible brain injuries from the original formula.
    Did you know it took an act of congress to get that formula changed? No joke, vaccine makers balked because of the increased cost.

    And they expect us to line up for a new, unproven, scantly tested injection.

    I will not be a guinea pig.
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    Quote from ink10300
    Yes.. and No - we will be dealing with them and very soon! They will be manufacturing H1N1 vaccine, right here in USA..
    Take a look.. http://www.reuters.com/article/inter...5746VY20090805
    It is not a given that Baxter will be licensed here. Sure, it could happen, but the question we should be asking is why did the US choose not to buy egg based vaccine from Baxter when they could have? They chose other companies instead.

    Your article is referring to the new cell based technology. It is true that this is probably the future of all vaccines as it is much quicker.

    Quote from www.reuters.com
    The swine flu vaccine, to be sold under the brand name Celvapan, is made using Baxter's cell culture process, which is designed to be faster than traditional vaccine production methods, where virus samples must be put into specially raised chicken eggs to grow.

    Baxter has supply contracts with five countries, including the U.K., Ireland and New Zealand, but not the United States, said spokeswoman Deborah Spak.
    The fact is that the US has not licensed any cell based vaccines to be used here from any company yet.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/doc...1N1_Report.pdf

    From Page 60:
    Quote from www.whitehouse.gov
    Cell-based vaccines, in which viruses are grown in cultured cells rather than eggs. This method obviates the need for large quantities of embryonated eggs and potentially permits increased levels of production beyond those currently achievable. The method, however, does not substantially shorten the timeline between identification of the virus strains to be included in the vaccine and the vaccine’s availability. This approach is currently being used by several companies to produce candidate 2009-H1N1 vaccines, but such cell-based vaccines have not yet achieved licensure in the United States.
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    Regarding mandatory flu shots, I'd have to say that I'd prefer these shots not be mandatory, and specifically, I'd rather not have my employment be dependent upon receiving such shots.

    Personally, I have a family member who recently, just this past week, received the flu shot, and has now developed neurological symptoms. The symptoms began as eye twitches, then they noticed one side of their face appeared to be drooping with unilateral facial paralysis. The first doctor diagnosed Bell's palsy. 24 hours after the initial doctor's visit, my family member began noticing tingling in her extremities, and bilateral facial paralysis (drooping).

    This began Monday. By Friday, the doctors are beginning to speculate that the initial diagnosis may not be correct.

    My family member had no pre-exisiting conditions. She ran 5 miles a week, and was healthy as a horse. She's very concerned at this time. The only change in her lifestyle, has been the flu shot.
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    Quote from indigo girl
    It is not a given that Baxter will be licensed here. Sure, it could happen, but the question we should be asking is why did the US choose not to buy egg based vaccine from Baxter when they could have? They chose other companies instead.

    Your article is referring to the new cell based technology. It is true that this is probably the future of all vaccines as it is much quicker.



    The fact is that the US has not licensed any cell based vaccines to be used here from any company yet.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/doc...1N1_Report.pdf

    From Page 60:
    Yes, but if you read the article they are attempting to expedite and rush through the process to get a US contract.
    The following is not based on anything but my own opinion- but...
    Remember, the Government chooses their contracts through the "bidding" process.
    Sometimes it's a matter of who offers the cheapest price.. That's why Walmart has been so successful- try finding anything there that's been made in America...
    If I had time I'd include facts, but I just don't have time tonight..
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    A hospital in mid Mich will make you wear a surg mask for 7 months each year even in the halls or at the desk. That's crap. If a nurse isn't using standard precautions, she is more apt to catch something than vise versa. And what about the visitors? Are they banned without proof of poke? Read up on the ACLU support of NY nurses. Research the Facts on flu shots. Being a nurse shouldn't mean you are obligated to bend over to everyone's whim. Fight this for the right to choose, or what's next?
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    Quote from Lisafay
    A hospital in mid Mich will make you wear a surg mask for 7 months each year even in the halls or at the desk. That's crap. If a nurse isn't using standard precautions, she is more apt to catch something than vise versa. And what about the visitors? Are they banned without proof of poke? Read up on the ACLU support of NY nurses. Research the Facts on flu shots. Being a nurse shouldn't mean you are obligated to bend over to everyone's whim. Fight this for the right to choose, or what's next?
    As this is your first post here, I would offer some advice.

    It is better to post on a current thread such as Nurse: 'I was fired for refusing flu shot' rather than dredging up an old thread to make a comment.


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