Is your Facility 'forcing' you to get the Flu Vaccine? - page 5

My company have a new policy that if you do not want to receive the flu vaccine this year by end November, then you have to wear a mask within 6 feet of all patients. So they are not saying you... Read More

  1. Visit  EmmaZ06 profile page
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    Quote from Brightfuture4us
    You are incorrect...there IS research showing negative effects including those I have mentioned. Your statement of "stop whining and get the shot" is in my opinion offensive. Whining and believing that no one has a right to tell you what to do with your body are NOT the same. As far as evidence based medicine...seriously? You cannot always TRUST medicine. Look how many meds get recalled or pulled off the market. Some of us sit on the holistic side of care and there is nothing wrong with that. It is just different from what you believe.
    I apoligize for offending, but the flu shot has been around since the 1940s, and it is still believed by experts that the benefits outweigh the risks. How many of the meds that get pulled each year have been around for 70 years? Each year thousands of people die from the flu and flu related illness. If you don't want the flu vaccine that is your right, but it is not your right to potentially spread a potentially deadly illness to vulnerable populations.
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  2. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    EmmaZ...we just have to agree to disagree on this one. I respect your opinion even though I do not agree with it. The mercury is the concern. Why can't they remove it from vaccines? There are experts on both side of this fence. Respected knowlegeable people who disagree. The benefits outweigh the risks only until you are the one who is affected. Then the risk doesn't seem so beneficial. As far as the length of time a med was around before being pulled...my question strays from the OP topic. How on earth do these meds make it into the market to begin with? Also as I said in my later post...why are visitors not required to use hand washing practices etc when coming into a facility. Why are the people who are so at risk not vaccinated? At any rate...I appreciate the discussion and wish you and your patients the best this flu season!
  3. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    Flu Shots & Alzheimer's Disease | eHow.com

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Flu-Shots---The-Alzheimers-Flu-Shot-Connection&id=811244

    http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/headlin...18/423456.html

    Just a few articles on this topic. In the third article he explains why some people get the flu after getting the vaccine for those of you who get sick after having the flu shot.
    Last edit by Brightfuture4us on Oct 14, '12 : Reason: Added link...forgot to say...
  4. Visit  TerpGal02 profile page
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    My agency does not require it nor make you sign a waiver/mask, but I work in community mental health and our agency does offer it. I opted to get mine this year, but from my own doctor as I was out of town when they were administered and my doctor offers flu clinics on weekends. Since I manage to end up feeling like hell warmed over with a low grade temp and general malaise every year about for about 48 ish hours after my vax its nice to just get it on the weekend. For me I feel the benefit outweighs the risk. A bigger worry among our patient population is passing around tb though, since we work with indigent populations.
  5. Visit  MN-Nurse profile page
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    Quote from ~*Stargazer*~
    What I do not support is my employer being allowed to mandate what I put into my body. I'm happy to get the flu vaccine if, after being educated about it, I decide it's right for me. But once you tell me I have no choice, that's where I draw the line..
    Then go find a different job. It is in your employer's interest to reduce flu transmission and vaccines are a proven way to do that. If you don't like it, hit the road.

    What if you decide you don't want to use Standard Precautions as mandated by your employer? Aren't they deciding what you put on your body?

    What if you found some bunk websites or quoted cdc sites out of context that "showed"you really don't have to use Standard Precautions as mandated by your employer?

    Then you should quit.

    There is no debate about vaccine efficacy. Not this year, not a few years ago, not next year.

    It's over. The deniers lost.
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  6. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Despite the protestations, employer-mandated vaccinations are NOT a civil rights issue. Your freedom to choose is not being impinged. You are free to quite your job if you don't like your employer's requirements. This is not just true for nursing, it is true for any job.

    No one is forcing you to get a vaccination, so there is no "invasion" in your body by your employer or the government. In contrast, there seems to be a lack of concern about real civil rights issues regarding invasion of body, such as women not being able to freely control the destiny of their own womb.
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  7. Visit  Maevish profile page
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    We're supposed to get it every year and last year they said if we didn't we'd have to wear masks in all pt care areas....not sure of the consequences though.I've never gotten a flu shot in my life and don't plan on it. I can't even remember the last time I got the flu, plus all it is is LAST years' bugs (which are either old news or changed/mutated into a new strain). It's dumb. Besides, if pts can refuse it and not have to wear masks then we shouldn't have to (unless we have pts in isolation, etc of course).
  8. Visit  Anna Flaxis profile page
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    Quote from MN-Nurse
    Then go find a different job. It is in your employer's interest to reduce flu transmission and vaccines are a proven way to do that. If you don't like it, hit the road.
    No thanks. I like my job. I'm staying put.

    What if you decide you don't want to use Standard Precautions as mandated by your employer? Aren't they deciding what you put on your body?
    Apples and oranges.

    What if you found some bunk websites or quoted cdc sites out of context that "showed"you really don't have to use Standard Precautions as mandated by your employer?

    Then you should quit.
    Huh?

    There is no debate about vaccine efficacy. Not this year, not a few years ago, not next year.

    It's over. The deniers lost.
    Actually, there is. Even the CDC admits that the flu vaccine is not 100% effective. But that's not even the basis of my argument. I think vaccines should be available to anyone that wants them. Anyone who doesn't want them is knowingly taking their own risk.
    Last edit by Anna Flaxis on Oct 15, '12
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  9. Visit  Anna Flaxis profile page
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    Despite the protestations, employer-mandated vaccinations are NOT a civil rights issue.
    That's arguable.
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  10. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from EmmaZ06
    I apoligize for offending, but the flu shot has been around since the 1940s, and it is still believed by experts that the benefits outweigh the risks. How many of the meds that get pulled each year have been around for 70 years? Each year thousands of people die from the flu and flu related illness. If you don't want the flu vaccine that is your right, but it is not your right to potentially spread a potentially deadly illness to vulnerable populations.
    I think this is everyone's point......the hospitals requiring it takes away that right. Here is conflicting evidence on whether or not vaccines are hurtful. I am a DES daughter. Diethylstilbestrol (DES) a synthetic estrogen that was given for YEARS that was "SAFE" My mother was told they were vitamin shots to keep her baby.....ME
    Diethylstilbestrol is a synthetic nonsteroidal estrogen that was used to prevent miscarriage and other pregnancy complications between 1938 and 1971 in the United States. In 1971, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about the use of diethylstilbestrol during pregnancy after a relationship between exposure to this synthetic estrogen and the development of clear cell adenocarcinoma of the vagina and cervix was found in young women whose mothers had taken diethylstilbestrol while they were pregnant. Although diethylstilbestrol has not been given to pregnant women in the United States for more than 30 years, its effects continue to be seen. Women who took diethylstilbestrol during pregnancy have a slightly higher risk of breast cancer than the general population and therefore should be encouraged to have regular mammography. Women who were exposed to diethylstilbestrol in utero may have structural reproductive tract anomalies, an increased infertility rate, and poor pregnancy outcomes.Diethylstilbestrol Exposure - May 15, 2004 - American Family Physician
    So.....I am not very reassured when the Government, the CDC, the FDA tell me about the safety of ANY DRUG!

    Many of us still remember the "safe!!!! Swine flu vaccines that cause people to become ill.....it took MONTHS if not YEARS for the FDA/CDC to admit there had been a problem.
    What happened in 1976 with GBS and the swine flu vaccine?
    Scientists first reported a suspected link between GBS and vaccinations in 1976, during a national campaign to vaccinate people against a swine flu virus. The investigation found that vaccine recipients had a higher risk for GBS than those who were not vaccinated (about 1 additional case occurred per 100,000 people vaccinated). Given this association, and the fact that the swine flu disease was limited, the vaccination program was stopped.
    Since then, numerous studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines were associated with GBS. In most studies, no association was found, but two studies suggested that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people may be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine.

    Why did some people develop GBS after they received the 1976 swine flu vaccine?

    The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific review in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had a slight increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown. CDC H1N1 Flu | General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barr syndrome (GBS)
    Just like when "they" refused to admit AGENT ORANGE caused illness and said the air at ground zero on 9/11 posed no health risk.....and is only now admitting there was a problem(Duh...). It took 10 years for the government to decide it was a wrok related injury.
    The James L. Zadroga 9/11 Health & Compensation Act, signed into law by President Obama in early 2011, establishes the World Trade Center (WTC) Health Program. It ensures that those affected by 9/11 continue to receive monitoring and treatment services for 9/11-related health problems through at least 2015.
    As a sufferer of a debilitating auto-immune disorder....I guess I am skeptical what benefit that the bombardment of ALL of these vaccins have been for me.......have they had an impact on my immune system that caused it to start attacking me?

    I don't think anyone will admit it if it did........JMHO
    Last edit by Esme12 on Oct 15, '12
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  11. Visit  madwife2002 profile page
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    Interesting arguments from both sides, I feel that it should be a choice like everything else in life but since my company have mandated the masks and staff are going to wear a small star on their ID badge-those who do not get vaccinated and don't wear a mask will be written up.

    I think it is impossible to wear a mask within 6 feet of all patient contact- so I got the vaccine. If they had not brought out this nw rule I doubt I would have been bothered to get the shot.

    I speak with an English Accent and people just do not understand me from behind the mask
  12. Visit  Peterjoy93 profile page
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    I think it will be interesting when dietary, housekeeping, maintenance and volunteers all start walking around with masks. What happens when the patient leaves the room and comes within 6 feet of hospital employees who normally don't come in close contact?
  13. Visit  missnurse01 profile page
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    on some units within our medical system, mine included, we are required to mask if anywhere but the breakroom/bathroom. So even not in pt rooms, if you are in the hallway, at the pyxis, etc, required to mask.

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