Flu Vaccine, enough already! - page 22

Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for nurses last season but that... Read More

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    [/QUOTEand how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm[/QUOTE]
    Excellent point! Those 36,000 people are usually the elderly & immunocompromised folks who may have received that vaccine, but were unable to build an adequate immune response to it. If their fellow healthy community members for whom the vaccine is more efficacious had protected them through herd immunity, they may have survived that flu season. Less than half of Americans received a flu shot last season; I imagine it's hard to blame deaths on vaccine failure with such little uptake. Side note - It's ridiculous how much I'm enjoying this debate.

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    Quote from sbruc002
    [/QUOTEand how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm
    It's ridiculous how much I'm enjoying this debate.[/QUOTE]

    It's refreshing to hear that you're enjoying the subject on hand...Aloha~
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    You offered no answer to the question I posed. Try again.
    Quote from sbruc002
    [/QUOTEand how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm
    Excellent point! Those 36,000 people are usually the elderly & immunocompromised folks who may have received that vaccine, but were unable to build an adequate immune response to it. If their fellow healthy community members for whom the vaccine is more efficacious had protected them through herd immunity, they may have survived that flu season. Less than half of Americans received a flu shot last season; I imagine it's hard to blame deaths on vaccine failure with such little uptake. Side note - It's ridiculous how much I'm enjoying this debate.[/QUOTE]
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    ...:uhoh21:
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    Herd immunity does nothing for contaminated surfaces. Are you going to systemically disinfect EVERYTHING someone may touch, including banknotes? Mass disinfection has also been shown to speed up the evolution of superbugs.
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    Quote from ZeroNightskye
    Thirdly [sic], I have never had the flu shot and subsequently never had the flu. I've had pneumonia and recurring bronchitis, but never the flu.
    Good thinking, ZeroNightskye. In fact, I am going to stop using seat belts in my car because I have never been in a serious car accident.
    Last edit by CountyRat on Aug 29, '12
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    Another try at “how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm”: It’s probably really difficult to get a true estimate, but here is some interesting data that may reveal the benefits of flu vaccine availability/uptake:
    1918 – 1919 Spanish Flu Pandemic:
    • There was no vaccine available, and an estimated 50 million people died worldwide.
    2009 – 2010 H1N1 Pandemic:
    • 80 million people were vaccinated against H1N1, which minimized the impact of the illness, & estimates are between 8,870 and 18,300 H1N1 related deaths worldwide.
    In response to “Herd immunity does nothing for contaminated surfaces”, there would be no surfaces to decontaminate if no one had the flu.
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    Quote from ZeroNightskye
    I agree 110%. It takes a lot to make me get a shot that I KNOW will make me feel ill rather than negate the risk of maybe feeling Ill.
    O.K., how about this; the flu shot that makes you feel ill reduces the chance that you will be the reason that an elderly, compromised, neonatal, or pregnant friend or patient gets ill. Is that enough? Let me guess what the answer will be . . . . Want to put some money on it, Gitano?
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Want to put some money on it, Gitano?
    I'm not the gambling type, however, like the commercial says.... Wait for it!!!
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    Of course, public health measures such as water treatment, improved sanitation in general; had nothing to do with that? compare apples to apples please. I have read (no citations for you, i admit) that the death rate has NOT improved, in fact has remained pretty steady. We need to improve general nutrition and understand that death comes to us all, eventually. Do you remember the preg. women from australia? ~ nine were in critical condition from the flu, they were determined to be IgG2 def. ya think the vacine would have done them much good? Going along with "herd immunity" this is called "culling" of the herd. Brutal thought, but not illogical.
    Quote from sbruc002
    Another try at “how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm”: It’s probably really difficult to get a true estimate, but here is some interesting data that may reveal the benefits of flu vaccine availability/uptake:
    1918 – 1919 Spanish Flu Pandemic:
    • There was no vaccine available, and an estimated 50 million people died worldwide.
    2009 – 2010 H1N1 Pandemic:
    • 80 million people were vaccinated against H1N1, which minimized the impact of the illness, & estimates are between 8,870 and 18,300 H1N1 related deaths worldwide.
    In response to “Herd immunity does nothing for contaminated surfaces”, there would be no surfaces to decontaminate if no one had the flu.
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