Flu Vaccine, enough already! - page 18

Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for... Read More

  1. Visit  CountyRat profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    Interesting thought. Brutal, as you said, but interesting.
    Yes, epidemiology is a cold mistress, but her lessons make it possible to not just treat, but prevent disease; the highest objective of all healthcare.

    Sentimentality is much more attractive, but, unfortunately, the currently available scientific evidence has not shown that warm fuzzies effectivly prevent disease.

    Alas, this is a harsh world, sometimes.
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  2. Visit  GitanoRN profile page
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    Enough said
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  3. Visit  CapeCodMermaid profile page
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Yes, epidemiology is a cold mistress, but her lessons make it possible to not just treat, but prevent disease; the highest objective of all healthcare.

    Sentimentality is much more attractive, but, unfortunately, the currently available scientific evidence has not shown that warm fuzzies effectivly prevent disease.

    Alas, this is a harsh world, sometimes.
    Not exactly true, CountyRat. Warm fuzzies promote the flow of endorphins. Endorphins boost our natural immunity. Therefore, warm fuzzies help us stay healthy.
    Simple.
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  4. Visit  uRNmyway profile page
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    Quote from sbruc002
    Another try at “how much has the flu shot improved that?.......hmmm”: It’s probably really difficult to get a true estimate, but here is some interesting data that may reveal the benefits of flu vaccine availability/uptake:
    1918 – 1919 Spanish Flu Pandemic:
    • There was no vaccine available, and an estimated 50 million people died worldwide.
    2009 – 2010 H1N1 Pandemic:
    • 80 million people were vaccinated against H1N1, which minimized the impact of the illness, & estimates are between 8,870 and 18,300 H1N1 related deaths worldwide.
    In response to “Herd immunity does nothing for contaminated surfaces”, there would be no surfaces to decontaminate if no one had the flu.
    Can I just say that using data from 1918 vs 2009 is kind of inaccurate, in the sense that healthcare has GREATLY changed since then, as well as other things previously mentioned. We do not have the same facilities, treatments, equipment, or knowledge. Data would be needed from at the very least the same generation/decade from two different places where one vaccinates and one doesnt... Just my two cents...

    And when we are talking about vaccinations that are prepared very quickly, with not nearly enough testing in my opinion, I am very reluctant to be a guinea pig for it. I have seen Guillain-Barre syndromes, colleagues passing out in their cars, high-grade fevers...I do not want to subject myself or my child to the possibility of that.
    And we are healthcare professionals. If we have to go in to work where we might expose anyone, we wear protective gear. I don't know about you guys, but when I have flu-like or respiratory infection symptoms, I rarely go breathing or coughing in people's faces.
    Last edit by uRNmyway on Aug 31, '12
  5. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    Not exactly true, CountyRat. Warm fuzzies promote the flow of endorphins. Endorphins boost our natural immunity. Therefore, warm fuzzies help us stay healthy.
    Simple.
    If you want the warm fuzzies, get a pet rabbit. If you want to prevent illness, get a vaccination.
  6. Visit  CapeCodMermaid profile page
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    Pet rabbits can carry tuleremia....far worse than the flu. I'm getting my vaccine as soon as we have them available at work.
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  7. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    It SHOCKS me that so many health care personnel would choose not to protect their patients and others because of a couple of days of flu like symptoms. Just think of the risks you are already exposed to.... MRSA, c-diff, VRE etc. we do it because we chose this field to help people. If you find it's too much trouble to have flu like symptoms for 1-2 days in order to potentially SAVE LIVES It's mho that you should not be in healthcare.....

    "No day but today"
  8. Visit  juschillin profile page
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    If you want the warm fuzzies, get a pet rabbit. If you want to prevent illness, get a vaccination.
    According to the House Rabbit Society: Viral Hemmorhagic Disease (VHD) is scary and it is a "swift and sudden killer". No vaccine yet found.

    Viral Hemorrhagic Disease (VHD)

    :redlight:
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  9. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Quote from juschillin
    No vaccine yet found.
    "Vaccinations are available in countries where the disease in endemic" Viral Hemorrhagic Disease (VHD)
    I needed that laugh. I can't believe I took the time to read that on a Friday night. I'm glad it's not endemic here; I was about to euthanize my pet rabbit.
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  10. Visit  juschillin profile page
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    Ha ha!! I had a lot of rabbits when I was a kid. They were in big homemade "pens" in our barn and I used to climb inside and hang out with them. I came home from school one day and they were all gone. My dad gave them away...we lived on a farm. He said I didn't care about them anymore! A suppressed childhood memory that comes back now and then. Some family had a nice big rabbit stew!! I never got sick from them, but one day I swear this is true I was getting into the cage and one them bit me on the b.u.t.t.!!! No lie. I had to get a tetanus shot. hmmm maybe that's why they went missing.

    Yes, Friday night. Happy Blue Moon!!!!
  11. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from YouwishiwasyourCNA
    It SHOCKS me that so many health care personnel would choose not to protect their patients and others because of a couple of days of flu like symptoms.
    It SHOCKS me how many people get into healthcare and then whine about working weekends and holidays, or having to come into work during inclement weather. You pick your Martyr Mary, I'll pick mine. Considering I'm allergic to a component (I suffer the days of symptoms for other vaccinations, and would even consider flu despite the allergy if it didn't require YEARLY exposure to a known allergen), I'm not going to feel bad that I consider maintaining my own airway more important than my patients.

    Besides, if you're so concerned about your patients' welfare, are you wearing a mask during the entire cold season to avoid spreading RSV to your patients? After all, they might spread it to a baby, and then there's a dead baby that's ALL YOUR FAULT. The year that H1N1 and seasonal flu were circulating before the vaccine was available, did you wear a mask until the vaccine came out? Or did you risk spreading flu to innocent people that could die from it? If you aren't wearing a mask all cold season, I'm SHOCKED that you as a healthcare worker care so little about your patients that you won't even wear a mask.

    The guilt trip over the flu vaccination is ridiculous, as the martyrs for that cause completely ignore the fact that they're spreading other illnesses while they smugly walk around flu vaccinated.
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  12. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    Oh please! Knowingly spreading diseases? Give me a freaking break! All you can do is take every precaution that is reasonable. For some getting the flu shots not reasonable. For most it is and that's all I'm saying.

    "No day but today"
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  13. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from YouwishiwasyourCNA
    All you can do is take every precaution that is reasonable.
    How is wearing a mask the entire time you're in a care setting unreasonable? Protect your patients. I'll be wearing a mask all flu season. My patients won't catch anything spread by droplet from me. YOUR patients will only be safe from flu. It SHOCKS me that so many health care personnel would choose not to protect their patients and others because of the discomfort of wearing a mask all shift.

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