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1Oct 21, '12 by KeepingItRealEeyore
0Oct 24, '12 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from imjustme123I'm happy for you......congratulations.Just to let you all know, that the ONE job I applied for that just happened to open up at the same time I refused the flu shot was just offered to me! Woohoo!! When God closes a door, He opens a window.
0Oct 24, '12 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorSo should people still dutifully line up for their flu shots? Older kids and healthy adults do get some protection from them; just perhaps not as much as they want or expect. But for seniors and toddlers, there may never be a clear answer to this question, particularly because the U.S. government is unlikely to conduct additional clinical trials. On Monday, Osterholm and a group of five other scientists at the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy published a report highlighting the need for better alternatives. Although the current options may--for most people--be better than nothing, "we can no longer accept the status quo," they wrote. "The perception that current vaccines are already highly effective in preventing influenza is a major barrier to pursuing game-changing alternatives."
Until the 1950s, S. marcescens was erroneously believed to be a nonpathogenic "saprophyte", and its reddish coloration was used in school experiments to track infections. It has also been used as a simulant in biological warfare tests by the United States Military. On September 26 and 27, 1950, the United States Navy conducted a secret experiment named "Operation Sea-Spray" in which some S. marcescens was released by bursting balloons of it over urban areas of the San Francisco Bay Area in California. Although the Navy later claimed the bacteria were harmless, beginning on September 29, 11 patients at a local hospital developed very rare, serious urinary tract infections, and one of these individuals, Edward J. Nevin, died. Cases of pneumonia in San Francisco also increased after S. marcescens was released
1Nov 28, '12 by Kooky KorkyQuote from Laidback AlI am sure the staff at Lancet all ran right out and got their shots. I had one today, by force, to keep my job, and my arm is killing me.I absolutely agree. But remember, no one forces an individual to choose nursing as a career. If you don't like the conditions imposed by your employer -- get another job. Maybe in another field, if you can't live with with the job requirements of the nursing profession. Note that Lancet, the world's leading medical journal, just posted an editorial in favor of mandatory vaccination for all health care professionals. See this link.
To those on the board here who say that opponents of vax should just go work in another profession - my, my, how glib you are, how easily you just ignore the decades that some of us have been nurses, the fact that we were here long before any blankety-blank flu shots - or even before you were born. You think it's so easy to just go work at something else?
Educate yourselves as to why there are those who oppose these so-called harmelss vaccines before you cut us down. Should I wish for you to get the serious side effects, the neurotoxic ones, let's say? And you do know, of course, that the vax do not always confer immunity - Some studies show that only about 50% of those vaccinated become immune. And just think - you have to get a new shot every year.
You had better hope the day never comes when your employer makes some rule you really can't stomach and then some young thing comes along and tells you to just go do some other type of work. And maybe you won't already be vested in the pension and will have wasted several years before you have to either seek life elsewhere or knuckle under in order to keep your job bcause we still don't have proper universal medical care in this great land of ours and you will be afraid to have to pay COBRA rates or go "naked". Oh, yeah, it's easy to tell others what to do when you align with the majority ruling group. Try finding yourself on the not as powerful side and then let's see what glib words of advice you have then.
And then see how you feel about yourself for giving in. Don't forget to add that to the mix. Shame on those who lack compassion and insight, not to mention knowledge, on this issue.
0Nov 29, '12 by Laidback AlTo Kooky Korky -
Thanks for getting your vaccination. You will never know if you have saved one of your patients or co-worker from getting the flu, maybe you even protected yourself.
I sympathize with long time HCWs that are now required to get the vaccination. We all need to consider that the world is changing around us every day. Expecting the world and your job to stay the same over your whole career is na´ve. People's job descriptions and employer requirements change all the time. Each of us needs to be flexible and change as the world changes around us.
Young people starting out in the health care profession need to understand that 5-10-15 years down road there may be job or training requirements that will be unpalatable to them in the future. If they are just starting out as a HCW and can't cope with the current job requirements, how will they be flexible enough to cope with changes in the future?
You, and many other reticent allnurses members, have coped with these new employer requirements by reluctantly getting the vaccination. New HCWs need to learn to be flexible. If they are not willing to adapt now, the best advice they can receive is to search for a different career that allows them more personal freedoms and choices.
4Nov 30, '12 by diosadelsolThere are entirely too many Sheeple in this world who do as they're told rather than doing RESEARCH, naming no names...laidback Al. We are in a profession that prides itself on being evidence-based. Where's the evidence that vaccines are beneficial? And I'm not only talking about the stupid flu shot, I'm talking about them all. Do the research, get your facts straight and then join us here for an intelligent conversation. You may wanna check out vaclib.org. And yes, I'm one of those evil parents who have chosen to send their kids into this world sans vaccines.
2Nov 30, '12 by olddraggerafter being a Registered Nurse sine 1977 and working in a variety of roles at a major teaching medical center--today is my last day due to this flu vaccination issue. I have been exempted from having to take the vaccine due to serious complications that are well documented in my medical record. To be clear I am not an antivaccine person. Vaccinations have a purpose like all other medications and treatmen/treatments.
I do feel that mandatory vaccinations have gone too far for many reasons. Most have already been mentioned. Voluntary vaccination programs do work but they do require more work by the facilities administration. Sometimes administration takes the easy way out. I think sometimes they forget they are suppoose to work for us--not the other way around.
Anyway, I resigned because I cannot function at my desk job while wearing a mask which is required by all those that cannot take the vaccine. I do admit I do not understand how clinically making the small amount of people that truly cannot receive the vaccination,wear a mask will make any difference?
The flu vaccination is only at its best during a good match year of 87%--say 90% for simplicity sake. Our hospital has over 5000 employes. 10% of 5000 is 500. Thats 500 employes that are not required to wear a mask in which the flu vaccination did not work. They are potential carriers. Then take into account all the visitors, all the vendors, all the other types of people that are in and out of the facility. An acute care hospital is an uncontrolled enviroment-so inforcing a face mask on a select few is effective how?
Maybe all hospital workers and patients should be required to wear a mask--regardless? That would be more lodgical to me.
I believe that most of this is simply a response by Medicare to not full reimburst hospitals that don't met their "quality indicators. One of which is the 90% vaccination rate by the YEAR 2020 ( for goodness sake!). That 8 years away.....its crazy.
But, this issue drew the line in the sand for me. Enough is enough. They can have it.
3Nov 30, '12 by FlyingScotQuote from Kooky KorkyShame on those who lack compassion and insight, not to mention knowledge, on this issue.Quote from diosadelsolSmug much? This is what grinds my gears. This attitude that those of us who choose to get vaccinated are either too stupid to make an educated decision or so blind that we follow wherever anyone tells us is the right way to go. I get the flu shot because I have severe asthma and the last time I had the flu (I was not vaccinated at the time) it nearly killed me. I will do anything I can to avoid that chance again. Even if it's only 50% successful or 80-90% or whatever each new study says. That for me is a decrease in the risk of my dying so I'll take whatever I can get. Call me uneducated if it makes you feel smarter but at least you won't be calling me dead.There are entirely too many Sheeple in this world who do as they're told rather than doing RESEARCH, naming no names...laidback Al. We are in a profession that prides itself on being evidence-based. Where's the evidence that vaccines are beneficial? And I'm not only talking about the stupid flu shot, I'm talking about them all. Do the research, get your facts straight and then join us here for an intelligent conversation. You may wanna check out vaclib.org. And yes, I'm one of those evil parents who have chosen to send their kids into this world sans vaccines.
As far as all vaccines being bad, when was the last time you took care of someone in the US (not a recent immigrant) with smallpox? Furthermore, the reason you can safely leave your kids un-vaccinated is because so many before you didn't.
Describing everyone who disagrees with you as incapable of having an intelligent conversation is off-putting, untrue and, quite frankly, rude beyond measure.