Fresenius medical care...taking over dialysis unit HELP! - page 6

Hello. I am an RN that is currently employed by Renal Care Group. Today we just learned that Fresenius Medical Care has bought out all of RCG's stock and they are taking us over. We were a privately... Read More

  1. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from iriskkerry
    Hi and thank you for your responses. After waiting 24 days, I finally got a call today from the clinic manager.She asked me to meet with her and the Regional Manager tomorrow @ 3 PM. I never recieved a return phone call from anyone @ Human Resources, which is so sad because that is where we are supposed to turn for help when we need it. I don't know what they will say tomorrow, but, I know what my patients think of me,so, that will get me through this torture I guess. I will come back tomorrow and post the results of the meeting. All she said when she called me was "We have come to a determination" ????????? Thanks again for your thoughts. It helps to know what others in the field are thinking.

    Please let us know what happens. What a horrible situation.
    Thinking of you and sending supportive thoguhts your way.
  2. by   iriskkerry
    Wll I'm back. They fired me. Here are the two reasons they gave. 1. The staff of th hospital where I was assigned to do acutes by Fresinius (assigned in July by the woman who just fired me)does not want me back there? 2. They found 3 treatments that were ordered to be 3 1/2 hours long and they were 3 hours long. I told her that in training I was specifically instructed to run them 3 hours, that the order was written that way to cover the Doc with medicare and that everyne runs them 3 hours. Did not matter, they only looked at my records and of course asked me specifically who told me that. My response was I would not tell them so as not to get anyone else in trouble, but, they can simply go back and look at treatment sheets other than mine and they would see that this is industry wide, common knowledge. Albeit unspoken. That did not matter either and they began to blame human resources, said they gave them no choice.
    I have spoken to a couple of acute nurses and they can't believe that this happened either. They are aware of this unspoken rule. One of them, who just happens to do acute in another hospital for the same doctor said "Well, it must be an individual thing then, 'cause we do it here".
    Feel realy bad. Hard to get up and start over now but have to. I was hoping they would offer to put me back in the clinic they pulled me out of to do this job, but, no offer was made.
    I also spoke with someone on the flor of the hospital where they said "they didn't want me back", she has heard NOTHING of this sort.
    Anyways, neeed to get over the crying binge and hit the pavement. I wonder what it is like to apply for a job when you've been fired by your last employer, anyone got anyadvice on that one? Heart is broken. Thanks again for your input.
  3. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    (((((IRISKKERRY))))

    I'm so sorry. It sounds to me like someone didn't like you and they were just trying to think of ways to get rid of you.

    I hate Fresenius. I think they are one of the worst "health care" companies in existance. They have treated many great nurses like crap- and that includes both you and me.

    I was basically fired from a FMC unit as a traveler after I told the "acting mgr" who had never seen the unit- that the standards of care at the unit were unacceptable and that staff were falsifying documentation all day long. She basically told me "you'll never work in this town again."

    Well, I have worked in that town again, doing dialysis several times. Do you have the option of becoming a traveler?

    Being a traveler really keeps you out of the politics and BS.

    I'm sorry you're hurting.
  4. by   iriskkerry
    Thanks for the warm reply. Everyone who knows my work ethics is shocked by what happened . Yes I have often thought of traveling, but, my first move is going to be to have this removed from my record. There is one law they cannot get around. It is discrimination, by that I mean you are not allowed to treat one employee differently than another. I know that acutes ordered 3 1/2 hours are run 3 hours by EVERYONE in the industry. Not everyone, everytime, but they are. It is more the rule than the exception. And, that is what I was instructed by my trainer!. They simply would not open those records or ASK the other nurses what they do. And the other point they fired me for??? BECAUSE THE NURSES ON THE FLOOR WHERE WE DO DIALYSIS DON'T LIKE ME????? I know the Human Resource manager at the hospital and will be filling her in on Monday. Perhaps this is not the first time they have encountered this difficulty with this nurse? So, I will be speaking with a lawyer first, to help me expedite getting this off my record.
    Other than clearing my record my only hesitation with traveling at this juncture is won't 13 weeks take me al the way through Xmas? I might miss all 3 holidays with my family. I need to pull myself together and get something right away because I'm broke now. I mean, it's been 3 weeks.Agency work for awhile I guess. Thanks again.
  5. by   Natkat
    Oh my God! I can't believe they did this to you. I am so sorry.

    I have been booted out of jobs because people didn't like me, and it sucked. Over time I've learned to more political, be nicer and cover my ass. I've also learned to see the signs a lot sooner and start making plans to get out before they can gang up on me. If nothing else, use it as a learning tool. From now on you'll learn to recognize that feeling in your gut in plenty of time to make a change.

    I work for Fresenius but I have a FABULOUS boss. I would take a bullet for this woman; I'm not kidding. She has bent over backwards to adjust my schedule while I'm in nursing school. She gets on us about "policy" but she's also realistic enough to know that sometimes she just has to look the other way. I do my best to meet her at least halfway with things. But I also know that some of the rules are insane. She just lets us know that we can make our own choices. If we choose not to follow policy, she won't back us up if we get caught. If we follow policy and get dinged, she'll be our biggest advocate.

    But that's to her credit, not the company. I think that's true of just about everywhere I worked. The right boss can make a sucky company bearable. You can work for the best company on the planet, and if your supervisor is a naval-gazing task-master, you're screwed.
  6. by   Natkat
    Hellllo Nurse, I'm interesting in being a travel nurse for dialysis. I have a few questions. I'll send you a private message.
  7. by   DeLana_RN
    Quote from iriskkerry
    Thanks for the warm reply. Everyone who knows my work ethics is shocked by what happened . Yes I have often thought of traveling, but, my first move is going to be to have this removed from my record. There is one law they cannot get around. It is discrimination, by that I mean you are not allowed to treat one employee differently than another. I know that acutes ordered 3 1/2 hours are run 3 hours by EVERYONE in the industry. Not everyone, everytime, but they are. It is more the rule than the exception. And, that is what I was instructed by my trainer!. They simply would not open those records or ASK the other nurses what they do. And the other point they fired me for??? BECAUSE THE NURSES ON THE FLOOR WHERE WE DO DIALYSIS DON'T LIKE ME????? I know the Human Resource manager at the hospital and will be filling her in on Monday. Perhaps this is not the first time they have encountered this difficulty with this nurse? So, I will be speaking with a lawyer first, to help me expedite getting this off my record.
    Other than clearing my record my only hesitation with traveling at this juncture is won't 13 weeks take me al the way through Xmas? I might miss all 3 holidays with my family. I need to pull myself together and get something right away because I'm broke now. I mean, it's been 3 weeks.Agency work for awhile I guess. Thanks again.
    I am so sorry this has happened to you! I'm just now getting caught up with this thread, I was going to warn you to resign before they could do just what they did... fire you. I saw where this was going (suspension without pay is a very, very bad sign) and your regional manager sounds like the superb---- I used to work for - you can't reason with a sociopath.

    As for getting another job, I don't think you will have any problem. FMC will most likely not give a future employer anything but the dates of employment; BTW - never assume that HR works for us (the employees)! Far from it, they are merely the enforcers, doing what your manager wants them to do. They are not a resource or advocate for us (other than for benefits problems, etc.), at least not officially. It sounds like they were trying to warn you when they asked why you hadn't started to look for another job yet (they knew what was coming).

    Also, I don't know if I would pursue the discrimination thing; I work in acutes (although for a hospital-owned unit) and have never heard of a rule that 3.5 hour tx's are routinely shortened to 3 hrs. Even when I did on call acutes for Gambro a few years ago I never heard that (OK, I didn't do that for long while I worked for Gambro).

    We have an agreement - in our written protocol, so we are covered - that we can shorten tx times by 10% if necessary (e.g. pt problem, machine problem - NOT our convenience). For anything else, we have to contact the neph. (whose philosophy is as much tx time as possible - within reason, e.g. at the end of our shift they may order a shorter tx).

    Legally, I don't think you can get anywhere with informal agreements that are contrary to written orders. And don't expect anyone to back you up on this (they will deny they ever told you or are doing the same thing; never mind the tx records, nobody will bother to dig these up. And still, the doctors' orders - and your official, written protocols - are all that matters. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I'm afraid that's what you will hear from a lawyer.

    Again, I don't think that this termination will be a problem for future employment (this kind of injustice has probably happened to most nurses - I was forced out of my very first job by an evil head nurse!). I think agency work is a great idea, especially at this time of the year when they really need the help.

    Wishing you the best of luck, please keep us posted!

    DeLana :icon_hug:
  8. by   iriskkerry
    Thanks Delana. I have decided that there will be no legal action taken. This would only serve to hold my focus on this horrible thing. I need to move on and put it behind me. I will not be the same person after this. Will be looking out for #1 alot more closely heretofor. Again, thanks for the replies. It does help to know what others are thinking. I'm off to a fresh start!
  9. by   bnrn03
    Hi everyone I have been reading the threads about FMC and I was wondering what do they pay? I have one of their clinics about 5 miles from me here in SW Pa. and I was considering interviewing with them. I was wondering if it would be worth my while. And does anyone out there know how much the travel agencies pay for dialysis nurses? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
  10. by   Aquamarine
    Quote from hodgpodge
    Hello. I am an RN that is currently employed by Renal Care Group. Today we just learned that Fresenius Medical Care has bought out all of RCG's stock and they are taking us over. We were a privately owned unit until our wonderful "doctor" sold us to RCG. About 5 months ago. We got new machines, new computers, a whole new system. We are just getting used to the change when, BOOM, today we learn that Fresenius is buying RCG units. All of them. You have to understand, we are a small unit with 16 chairs, in the bootheel of MO. We are a great team of people. I feel like we can handle change well. But of course no one knows anything. I was just wondering if any of you kind people out there have or is currently working with Fresenius. How is their benefits and what kind? Do they have paid time off? All that jazz.
    Are they a good company to work for? I would greatly appreciate ANY info you can give me. I really know nothing about them as a company. Just what I've seen on their website, which is still nothing. Please, I would love some personal info on what you've seen and experienced. Thank you.
    I don't work for Fersenius but heard they are very very good. Pay in good in the Rochester area and has been for years. I work for the competitor. The company is a good one, I wouldn't worry too much about that, it could have been worse. Try to have an open mind. I wished I did work for them...dialysis is awesome as far as the work, I love it. good luck
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    I'm a traveler and I have worked in a number of FMC clinics all over the country. In my experience, they are one of the worst companies to work for- right up there with HCA.

    I love dialysis, but hate FMC.
  12. by   Aquamarine
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    I'm a traveler and I have worked in a number of FMC clinics all over the country. In my experience, they are one of the worst companies to work for- right up there with HCA.

    I love dialysis, but hate FMC.
    Really, why? I certainly believe you. Do you do travelling dialysis. That is what I want to do eventually. I have elderly parents but after that time, that is my goal. I love dialysis. How is the reception when you travel. did you ever go to Rochester...they were paying 500.00 a day for 12 hrs. 4 yrs ago for per diems. They were paying LPNs time and a half, plus 10.00 and hour for 16 hour saturdays where I worked when I was in shcool in Greece NY near Rochester.

    Let me know more, thanks so much for your advice, comments. That is why this is so good...sharing the info.
  13. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    No, I've never been to Rochester. The reception varies from unit to unit. Some places treat travelers well; others don't. I've never been treated well in an FMC unit.

    Yes, I am a traveling dialysis RN. The reasons that FMC sucks are many- but it basically boils down to this: They treat nurses like dogs, and they only care about money.

    When nursing jobs pay a whole lot of money there is usually a really good reason for it- the joba are awful and no nurse will stay.

    Travelers occasionally, but not often, make the big money that people think we make. In 2005, I was paid $54.00 an hr plus all expenses to work in a very troubled FMC clinic. My license is worth more than that to me, so I broke my contract. I had to buy my way out of it, but I wanted to keep my license and my sanity. The things that were going on there were unbelievable.

    The nurse who took over for me thought I was crazy giving up all that money.
    BUT- she is now on three years probation with the the BON stemming from things that happened at that unit.
    Last edit by Hellllllo Nurse on Nov 5, '07

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