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Apr 19, 2009 11:14 AM

Can ER doctors give dialysis orders?


I am so confused on this issue. I've been called in the middle of uckthe night only to find the er dr wrote an order for a pt to be dialysed and discharged. lucky for me i read the progress notes and it said the nephrologist was aware but i didnt see a consult on the pt. I called the nephrologist in the middle of the night (luckily i knew he was a nice one) and he gave me orders. So i dialyzed the pt. Other nurses h ave been in my situation and have fought with the staff saying it can wait till morning and that the nephrologist need to give clear orders and that the er dr cannot write dialysis order..only a nephrologist can. i know that is true but is what the hospital doing right? I'm so confused on this issue. The pts potassium was a bit high and thats why i proceeded to go ahead and call the dr. in the other cases of my coworkers..they have been called in the middle of the night for a fairly normal potassium of 5.3 (which is normal for a chronic kidney failure pt).



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No. 1
Old Apr 19, 2009, 05:39 PM

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Have you asked the nephrologists about this? I would also ask your supervisor and get a copy of your hospital's policy and make sure that everyone is on the same page regarding this issue. I would definitely be uncomfortable dialyzing someone with orders from an ER doctor. I believe you did the right thing in calling the nephrologist on call. Most doctors don't understand dialysis unless they have worked in it.
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from Tish88
Old Apr 19, 2009, 08:33 PM

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You need to have dialysis orders from a nephrologist, not any other doctor regardless of their specialty. There should also be a consult to a nephrologist and the dialysis RN should obtain the dialysis orders before starting a treatment.
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from zimm4er
Old Apr 21, 2009, 08:03 AM

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Ditto to tish. I do not come in unless I am called by my nephrologist. If I did they would give me hell.
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from Tish88
Old Apr 21, 2009, 04:19 PM

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I just love the times when an ER doc calls the nephrologist and tells them the patient needs dialysis because they are in CHF, then the nephrologist don't go in and see the patient but calls you out (trusting the ER docs observation) to do a stat treatment. (mainly because the patient has missed a treatment!!)
You get to the hospital only to find the patient sleeping flat in bed with no oxygen on and in NO distress!!! I always ask to see the chest xray and the ER doc that read it. Many of times they did not even do a CXR! That is when I call the nephrologist to tell him/her my observation and to tell them I will be back in the morning to dialyze the patient. If they insist that the pt is to be done, I simply say, "fine I will wait for you to see the patient that you are consulted on and await their orders". After over 20+ years of doing acute dialysis treatments, you start getting respect from "your" docs and they trust your judgement.
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from Norazizahi
Old May 13, 2009, 08:31 PM

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u have to get order from nephrologist. and as ER doctor u have to refer this pt to medical oncall person. thats what in malaysian practise
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