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| No. 50 |
Feb 16, 2009, 03:38 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!!
Im still a rookie in corrections nursing, but heres an example of some of the more subtle manipulation I've experienced.... On my first day in orientation an inmate walked up to me and asked me how he could get a full physical. This seems like a very harmless or even legitimate question, right? No, this guy knew full well how to get a physical or non-emergent medical attention. When I turned to him and said bluntly, put in a sick call slip his whole demeanor changed to "oh, yes mam". He was fishing to see how much I knew, didn't know or where my boundaries where. Seemingly harmless questions and requests are how many inmates find which staff they can target and manipulate with their BS. I too have a background in psych, my "universal precaution" in corrections is to assume they all have antisocial personality disorder, if you catch my drift.
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Feb 16, 2009, 05:42 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!! Originally Posted by cheshielynx Im still a rookie in corrections nursing, but heres an example of some of the more subtle manipulation I've experienced.... On my first day in orientation an inmate walked up to me and asked me how he could get a full physical. This seems like a very harmless or even legitimate question, right? No, this guy knew full well how to get a physical or non-emergent medical attention. When I turned to him and said bluntly, put in a sick call slip his whole demeanor changed to "oh, yes mam". He was fishing to see how much I knew, didn't know or where my boundaries where. Seemingly harmless questions and requests are how many inmates find which staff they can target and manipulate with their BS. I too have a background in psych, my "universal precaution" in corrections is to assume they all have antisocial personality disorder, if you catch my drift.  Thank you for a very informative response. Yes......I can see the psych x inmates , can be very challenging. Your universal precautions for corrections is so well put. Thank you so much Cheshielynx !
| | No. 52 |
Feb 16, 2009, 06:02 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!! Originally Posted by deyo321 Maritesa you indicated that you had refused to work drug rehab because of manipulative behaviours.
Most inmates today are there for some type of drug offense, and if that's not what they were convicted of it had something to do with why they are inside. Unless someone is truly psychotic, crimes are committed for sex, drugs or money, usually a combination of all three. Stories like "I shot my best friend because he swiped my stash" and "I beat up my wife when she told me to stop drinking/shooting/smoking" are the norm. You need to remember, also, that the crime they were convicted of is not usually the only crime they have committed, just the one they were caught doing. They may have been caught stealing a car, but that's only because they were driving it home from the scene where they buried a body. And, at least at the facilities that I have worked at, boredom is a HUGE factor. There are not enough CO's to supervise the IM's while working, so they don't have jobs and have nothing better to do than to talk amongst themselves and pass "helpful tips" to others. If you have a psych background, that would serve you well as most facilities pass out BUCKETS of the older psych meds (yes, they still use Thorazine in these places). These drugs are cheap and the companies like CMS and PHS cut costs every chance they get. Still, all it's faults, I wouldn't work any place else. | | No. 53 |
Feb 16, 2009, 06:34 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!! Originally Posted by CheyRN Most inmates today are there for some type of drug offense, and if that's not what they were convicted of it had something to do with why they are inside. Unless someone is truly psychotic, crimes are committed for sex, drugs or money, usually a combination of all three. Stories like "I shot my best friend because he swiped my stash" and "I beat up my wife when she told me to stop drinking/shooting/smoking" are the norm. You need to remember, also, that the crime they were convicted of is not usually the only crime they have committed, just the one they were caught doing. They may have been caught stealing a car, but that's only because they were driving it home from the scene where they buried a body. And, at least at the facilities that I have worked at, boredom is a HUGE factor. There are not enough CO's to supervise the IM's while working, so they don't have jobs and have nothing better to do than to talk amongst themselves and pass "helpful tips" to others. If you have a psych background, that would serve you well as most facilities pass out BUCKETS of the older psych meds (yes, they still use Thorazine in these places). These drugs are cheap and the companies like CMS and PHS cut costs every chance they get. Still, all it's faults, I wouldn't work any place else.  
Thank you for a positive and factual response. You said that you would not work anywhere else, why? Is this truly your niche? I just would like to hear more, to dispel some fo the horror stories that I have heard. Please tell ?
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Feb 17, 2009, 12:32 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!! Originally Posted by maritesa 
Thank you for a positive and factual response. You said that you would not work anywhere else, why? Is this truly your niche? I just would like to hear more, to dispel some fo the horror stories that I have heard. Please tell ?
I'm glad you find my insights helpful and honest. Why do I enjoy corrections so much? Well, I find that you have an opportunity to do some "real" nursing. Not to say that other areas are not "real" as I couldn't work in an ICU or on a Tele floor (all the beeping monitors would make me a nervous wreck in about 3 mins flat  ). What I mean by "real" is that you have to depend on all of your knowledge (not just what you learned in clinicals) to be effective, safe and respected. There is a great deal of teaching going on because most of the populations have little knowledge of even the most basic health maintenance. When you actually get through to an IM that has little regard or respect for others, but seeks you out because he has finally found someone on this planet he can trust and respect is the best. Following policies are expected and you are (more times than not) backed up by administration. I have worked in hospitals that expected you to follow written policy, except if it didn't make them look good, then you ended up in the dog house for "poor customer service". My favorite part is that there is no family sitting there on their duff, expecting you be in their family members room at all times, just waiting to wipe Grandma's nose or hold the urinal for Uncle Joe.  I have also been privileged to work with one of the greatest docs in the business, and I give him a great deal of credit for the whole work culture at the prison where I work  . Last, but not least, I like being challanged and this environment has more challanges than the typical hospital or LTC facility. It's not for everyone, but no area of nursing is.
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Feb 17, 2009, 12:54 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!! Originally Posted by CheyRN I'm glad you find my insights helpful and honest. Why do I enjoy corrections so much? Well, I find that you have an opportunity to do some "real" nursing. Not to say that other areas are not "real" as I couldn't work in an ICU or on a Tele floor (all the beeping monitors would make me a nervous wreck in about 3 mins flat  ). What I mean by "real" is that you have to depend on all of your knowledge (not just what you learned in clinicals) to be effective, safe and respected. There is a great deal of teaching going on because most of the populations have little knowledge of even the most basic health maintenance. When you actually get through to an IM that has little regard or respect for others, but seeks you out because he has finally found someone on this planet he can trust and respect is the best. Following policies are expected and you are (more times than not) backed up by administration. I have worked in hospitals that expected you to follow written policy, except if it didn't make them look good, then you ended up in the dog house for "poor customer service". My favorite part is that there is no family sitting there on their duff, expecting you be in their family members room at all times, just waiting to wipe Grandma's nose or hold the urinal for Uncle Joe.  I have also been privileged to work with one of the greatest docs in the business, and I give him a great deal of credit for the whole work culture at the prison where I work  . Last, but not least, I like being challanged and this environment has more challanges than the typical hospital or LTC facility. It's not for everyone, but no area of nursing is.  You are an amazing person! I like the way you share your experience to help me think about this line of work or specialty. I guess there is a stigma w/ prison work ....not to mention those movies that made prison look like a terrible not to mention a dangerous place to work !  I guess the next best thing is to find a "good" place to work for. I am looking at alternatives. I am presently doing medical review for medicare, and I would like to move up North of California or even Washington Stat or Oregon.....Los Angeles is just too crowded , not to mention expensive place to be ! I will be looking for a good school for my 6 year old grandaughter as a #1 priority, also a university town is also ideal for my daughters continous study, not to mention that I would also like to get my brain going again through school. Never too old to study !! I guess I better do my research, as to where to move w/ my daughter and grand. Any suggestions of a good place? | | No. 58 |
Jun 16, 2009, 09:11 PM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!!
Well it's been alittle over 6 months and i'm ready to move on. The position that i was placed in got boring real fast. I do have to say the benefits and the money is real good, but I realized that i'm a people person and needed to get more hands on. I also felt that all the skills i worked hard for were beginining to fade. I did read a post here that someone said that it is your co-workers that you have to be watch out for and boy is that the truth. Unfortunately there is alot of politics and ass kissing going around and if you choose your political party right it does make a difference on how much petty things are overlooked. If not, then you will be reminded of the petty things constantly. And alot of it comes down to how your team works together. I've run into some of the laziest nurses and staff i''ve ever seen and if your work is noticed and your productivity is high these co-workers get jealous and act like babies. I beleive that management heard through the grapevine that I was unhappy and looking for work so I got the oppurtunity to start floating to other areas which was real nice, sick call, wounds, dialysis meds. But the back stabbing never stopped. Either you have to change your mentality to being carefree or you can find yourself being cold and callous. And do keep your enemies closer than your friends. I have about 18 years left till retirement and i'm deciding to go back to rehab as a PTA and do contract nursing to keep my skils up and make the money. I do have to say I learned alot about correctional nursing and what is unique to this type of nursing. I've made some genuine friends and have some co-workers that is just that, but I find the environment mostly negative. There are inmates that do appreciate your work and teaching, but I find that for my selfish satisfaction that is not enough. But it's true, either you like it or not. Good luck to all you correctonal nurses. | | No. 59 |
Aug 15, 2009, 04:02 AM
Re: corrections is fantastic!!!
Boy, this thread was going hot and I think Sire6240 killed it! Ha ha, I'm only kidding.....it can be a difficult place to work. I work for the county and it practically takes an act of congress to fire someone. Sometimes people who should have never passed probation end up doing so and they can be lazy, mean, manipulative, or just downright lazy! But I think we have a pretty good staff where I work, for the most part.
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