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This is a discussion on Unite nurses, don't divide us in Collective Bargaining / Nursing Union, part of General Nursing ... during national nurses week and throughout the year, seiu nurses feel we should be united, not...by klbackus May 8, '08during national nurses week and throughout the year, seiu nurses feel we should be united, not divided --with other nurses, with other healthcare workers, with patient care advocates--to work for quality care. why then, is the california nurses association declaring war on nurses?
we're renewing our call for an end to cna’s divisive actions as the outcome of a union representation election remains in balance for 1,000 of our nurse colleagues at three las vegas hospitals. despite months of cna’s lies and false promises the cna failed to capture enough votes to lure nurses away from seiu.
cna’s raiding in las vegas is yet another move aimed to divide nurses at a critical time when patients need us most. cna is also actively trying to decertify seiu nurses throughout california and other states. in march, the cna waged an aggressive “vote no” campaign in ohio, forcing the cancellation of union elections for 8,300 nurses and hospital workers in nine hospitals. in recent years the cna also has raided other unions or intervened in other unions’ organizing drives in hawaii, illinois, missouri, tennessee, texas, and other states.
this nurses week, rather than dividing the too-few nurses who already have a union voice, let’s unite the 85% who don’t—for our patients and our profession.
for more information on cna’s divisive actions, go to www.shameoncna.com.
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- May 8, '08 by Julia RN"during national nurses week and throughout the year, seiu nurses feel we should be united, not divided --with other nurses, with other healthcare workers, with patient care advocates--to work for quality care....
this nurses week, rather than dividing the too-few nurses who already have a union voice, let’s unite the 85% who don’t—for our patients and our profession."
your words seem very insincere as seiu is busy raiding ny as you write this.
what's up with that???
http://readme.readmedia.com/news/sho...na-unit/129519Last edit by Julia RN on May 8, '08 : Reason: link
- May 8, '08 by Chico David RNA review of the facts on the Las Vegas election:
shortly after the CNA win in Reno, our organizers were contacted by nurses there not happy with their current union.(SEIU).
After a ten week campaign, the vote was held over two days and the votes counted last night.
400 nurses voted for CNA
377 for SEIU
26 for no union
6 ballots were challenged, with the challenges yet to be resolved.
In this type of election, with three options on the ballot, one side must win a majority to prevail. With the small number for "no union", CNA/NNOC fell 3 votes short of the required majority. Unless the challenged ballots resolve the issue, a run-off will be held, with the option of "no union" not on the ballot.
It is also a fact that SEIU has active "raid" campaigns in progress against NYSNA at several hospitals, at one of which it has filed for election. An observer might be inclined to conclude that SEIU's attitude to "raids" is situational, depending on who is doing the raiding.
- May 8, '08 by RN1989klbackus - exactly what is your role in the SEIU? How much are you getting paid to spread your propaganda on this forum?
Being that you have only posted pro-SEIU and anti-CNA/NNOC posts, I don't feel that I can trust you as you do not seem to have any other nursing interest except bashing another union.
Are you the one responsible for pulling my email info off this forum and sending me the latest SEIU propaganda about Healthcare United? I don't use that email address for anything but this forum so I am curious as to how the SEIU obtained my information and felt comfortable soliciting me without permission.
- May 9, '08 by klbackusnot so fast, chico david rn. the overwhelming majority of rns didn't buy what the cna was peddling. they could see through the false promises of california wages and pensions that cna/nnoc has never been able to deliver outside of california.
not only was the vote close among the rns who voted, but the nearly 300 rns who didn't vote at all clearly were not unhappy with their seiu representation. the only thing cna achieved was to effectively divide the nurses at the worst possible time--in the middle of contract negotiations to raise standards for nurses and patient care.
in the end, there really are no winners here. no matter what the final outcome is, not a single nurse who is currently caring for patients without a union voice has one.
and yes, i am an employee of seiu, but i am also a nurse. i would much rather us focus on improving staffing levels, giving more healthcare workers a voice in their hospitals, and ensuring every man, woman and child has access to quality care. don't you?
as far as who got your e-mail, rn1989, i can't help you there. when you figure out how to keep e-mail addresses private let me know.
- May 9, '08 by Julia RNI thought this thread might be a good place to attempt to have a discussion about broader principles, but it is turning into the same old story. The numbers fight- the quest to be top dog. The belief that it is neccessary to eliminate the other because they have different beliefs. How anti-progressive and harmful to the movement is that?
This post might get too "polly anna" for many of you from here, but here it is....
CNA- I love your politics and your ability to bring important issues to the forefront among nurses and the public. You have accomplished great things.
SEIU- I love how you have elevated millions of workers especially in healthcare and know your programs/services have helped many. You have accomplished great things.
Both organizations have excellent organizing abilities that make other unions envious and make management take notice. And both have wonderful members and leaders who are committed to changing things for the better. Of course, both also disagree on what better is and what democracy in an organization looks like, but this is not unusual and a desired characteristic in a free thinking society.
Many are disappointed by the behavior of both, including your own respective members. Count me, a union supporter, among the disappointed.
Divison among and within existing structures has held staff nurses back for so long. This is such a critical time for us if we have the strength to stand together. There is common ground among you, basic principles you both believe in. That should mean something.
I hope you both will take advantage of ANY opportunity to come together, before you do more harm to staff nurses than the good you seek to do.
You started this thread and titled it, "Unite nurses, don't divide us". I know you read my post- you were listed in the "currently viewing" box when my message was the only response. Yet you do not respond to my question- if you really believe unions should not be dividing nurses at this critical time, why is SEIU raiding units in NY?
- May 9, '08 by klbackusJulia, I appreciate your comments. I agree with you in many ways and I hope there is a resolution to the SEIU/CNA debate soon.
My apologies for not responding to you earlier about the New York hospital. Here is what I was able to find out:
For years we've ignored the pleas from registered nurses at Peninsula who wanted the wages, premium benefits and representation that SEIU members in New York have. But we've been working collaboratively with the UAN and never wanted to be in a situation where nurse organizations were fighting each other over already-organized nurses.
But then CNA began to ramp up their already-aggressive efforts to undermine any and all of SEIU's efforts to unite nurses. In the last few months, they've mailed decertification cards to union nurses in a large number of states and even sabotaged the union elections for 8,300 nurses and hospital workers in Ohio.
When NYSNA (now no longer affiliated with the UAN) enthusiastically jumped on board the CNA's union busting campaign in Ohio--and urged its members in New York to support the CNA's efforts--we finally woke up. We couldn't just sit back and sacrifice the standards our members have won in their hospitals, at their state capitols, and in their communities.
Let me be clear. We did not create this situation and would prefer to use our resources to build strength to make real gains for nurses and patients. Again, SEIU President Stern has offered to sign a mutual no-raid agreement with the CNA and its allied organizations (including NYSNA) at any time, any place.
We want the war to stop. Unfortunately, Rose Ann DeMoro and CNA's allies have made it clear that they don't.
- May 10, '08 by RN1989Quote from klbackusa focus on improving healthcare is a noble endeavor. however i have not found your postings to be helpful to that cause. your postings are only dealing with the fact that there is conflict between your own union and others with you obviously being biased. at times you seem to be quite hostile against those who do not share your views.and yes, i am an employee of seiu, but i am also a nurse. i would much rather us focus on improving staffing levels, giving more healthcare workers a voice in their hospitals, and ensuring every man, woman and child has access to quality care. don't you?
you are the one that started this thread with the title of "unite nurses, don't divide us". this title is misleading as your posts are meant to denounce cna/nnoc instead of discussing the healthcare issues with other nurses and coming up with solutions.
if you really want people on this forum to listen to what you have to say you must gain their trust. your current anti-cna postings do not help you to gain respectability on a forum where we do not know each personally and therefore can only judge the integrity of a person by looking at the patterns of their postings.
i am not a union member and thus have no real quarrel with any union. i now have less respect for the seiu after having seen the way you, one of their employees has chosen to extol the virtues of this union by openly bashing others. dirty politics does not win over people with integrity and values.
- May 10, '08 by Julia RNQuote from klbackusNothing is clear, and none of us are privy to all the discussions.Let me be clear. We did not create this situation and would prefer to use our resources to build strength to make real gains for nurses and patients. Again, SEIU President Stern has offered to sign a mutual no-raid agreement with the CNA and its allied organizations (including NYSNA) at any time, any place.
We want the war to stop. Unfortunately, Rose Ann DeMoro and CNA's allies have made it clear that they don't.
I received a copy of a letter in an email from a listserv I subscribe to dated May 7, from John Sweeney to Andy Stern. The letter was asking SEIU to participate in a mediation process with CNA to resolve this dispute. Sweeney writes that CNA is willing to do this.
So, if the offer of President Stern is sincere, perhaps there can be a truce- both on this board and in our hospitals.
Lets stand together in the hope that some resolution is possible, and get back to our important work.
- May 10, '08 by klbackusI admit, I'm fairly new at the blogoshere. I get frustrated with typing in tiny windows and deciphering emotions via smileys and not-so-smileys :angryfire. I'd much rather talk to someone face to face.
If I am hostile to anyone, I truly don't mean to be. It's really not my nature. But in this thread alone I've been accused of trolling for e-mails and asked how much I'm being paid. I've been transparent about who I work for--which is more than I know about anybody here, frankly. I guess with that transparancy I've lost the ability to say things that I (nurse, woman, mother, voter, etc.) truly feel, like "unite nurses, don't divide us."
I'd love to share my personal thoughts on the ups and downs of nursing, how I got into the labor movement, and why I've been a die-hard supporter of Barack Obama long before it became the popular thing to do or before SEIU endorsed him. Maybe when I can voice something without being personally attacked I'll do that.