Top 10 Reasons Against Unions - page 9

top ten reasons why we don't want a union 10. the union doesn't write my paycheck. 9. unions would rather cause problems than work together. 8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst. 7. the... Read More

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    Quote from neurorn6
    Then I relocated to a "Right to work state". Big mistake. All that means, is that they have a right to fire you.
    Point of clarification. You moved to an "employment at will state" which gives an employer the right to fire you for whatever reason they want.
    A "right to work" state is one where you are not required to join the union to work a union job.

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    "right to work" is a joke. If someone doesn't want to be in a union.... why apply at a place that has one? Yes, if someone wants to work where I do, they have to join the union. That's fair. If they *don't* want to be in a union, there's plenty of crappy non-union nursing homes to choose from.
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    Quote from neurorn6
    I worked in a non union hospital in NJ a few years ago. Nurse patient ration was anywhere from 1-8 on a good day to 1-10. We organized and went union to protect ourselves and our patients. The negoiations were long but eventually we ironed out a decent contract. Then I relocated to a "Right to work state". Big mistake. All that means, is that they have a right to fire you. Pay is poor, insurance sucks, threats all the time. How staff turn over. High nurse/patient ratios.
    So yes, unions can and do benefit nurses. We are professionals, although in any other professions we wouldn't be treated like glorified waitresses. I beleive that we need a nation nursing union. In my opinion the ANA is worthless. I'm just saying.
    That is what I found.....
    HazelLPN, Sisyphus, herring_RN, and 1 other like this.
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    Quote from FlyingScot
    Point of clarification. You moved to an "employment at will state" which gives an employer the right to fire you for whatever reason they want.
    A "right to work" state is one where you are not required to join the union to work a union job.
    Right to work.....Employee at will....they both have the right to fire you without provocation with the proper paper work. I have worked them all......I think we should collective bargain/unionize and become a powerful bargaining unit nationwide.....like the police and firefighters. They have protection and retirement with decent benefits.
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    That's true Esme but they don't legally mean the same thing and people really should know the difference. Otherwise any discussion about unions gets a little muddied.
    laborer and Esme12 like this.
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    Agreed......

    A "right-to-work" law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. Right-to-work laws exist in twenty-three U.S. states, mostly in the southern and western United States. Such laws are allowed under the 1947 federal Taft–Hartley Act.

    At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargaining group (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:

    any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work
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    I think it depends on where you are, which union, and who is there to hold them accountable.
    In Quebec, hospital employees are forced to be in the union, and forced to pay dues. I was an agency nurse, thus didn't have to pay them, and so didn't receive their 'protection'.
    I was speaking to a Nurse Manager at one of the hospitals I took contracts at one slow night. He told me how he used to work for a nursing union in our province. He then asked me if I was unionized, and when I told him no, he said it was a good thing. He proceeded to tell me horror stories about what the unions did with the dues that were paid to them, i.e. vacations, staying in big fancy hotels with big fancy meals, all paid for by the nurses and their dues.
    Now, I understand that not all unions are like that, but where I am from, I have been pretty well jaded against how useful the unions really are.
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    I'm baffled by people who cite union dues as a reason they don't want to join. 15 bucks a pay period is a deal breaker? 15 bucks? Really? Really???
    HazelLPN, Sisyphus, and Fiona59 like this.
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    Well where I come from, they do less than nothing for their union members. Plus its substantially more per pay period. So yeah, its a deal breaker for me. I'd rather donate it to something useful if its not for me to keep.
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    Why don't you drop it... http//www.stopunions.com ask for sherwood


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